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To: Aric2000
Fear not the Creationists perspective. Please reread the article before you say there is no slant to the scientific community.

Your venerated scientists often have agendas, or they aren't objective enough to think through all of the angles on any given discovery (especially from a design perspective).
244 posted on 06/22/2003 10:16:47 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
I am going to tell you this one more time.

There is NO evidence of a designer, gentics has shown that indeed, the genes themselves seem to show natural selection, the accidental arrangements, the changing of genomes over time, using MANY different ways to get to the same function. If it had been "designed" it would have been the KISS principle, using the same genes to tackle the problems.

This is NOT the case, many different genes have been switched on and off in order to solve the same evolutionary problems, and have come to the same conclusion. This shows in a VERY efficient and hard to argue manner that it is natural selection and evolution that have caused this and NOT design.

Design is NOT scientific, UNLESS there is evidence for a designer, and the more answers we get, the less likely that indeed a designer had anything to do with it.

Evolution is the main theory that has allowed biology, genetics etc to move from the ideas of the mind into the laboratory.

Evolution is not the theory that is in trouble, Creationism, which is NOT a scientific theory, but religious Dogma is in trouble, as is ID, which again, is a HYPOTHESIS based upon religious Dogma.

They have decided that there is a designer and are doing their best to find creatures that will show their underlying assumptions.

Evolution continues to be checked and rechecked and rechecked again, it passes all tests, it has YET to be falsified, and scientists are giving it their best shot, on a SCIENTIFIC basis, whomever can replace evolution as the basic theory for biology and genetics will be famous FOREVER.

Evolution is NOT a conspiracy, it is just good science.

Evolution is about as objective as it comes.
246 posted on 06/22/2003 10:33:03 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: bondserv; All
Here's very nice essay on science and the scientific method.

Please read it, and then maybe you will understand what science actually is and why it can be NOTHING BUT OBJECTIVE.

http://www.carleton.ca/~tpatters/teaching/climatechange/sciencemethod.html

Using scientific metodology, YOU CANNOT BE ANYTHING BUT OBJECTIVE.... Because the evidence will lead you to an OBVIOUS conclusion.

Notice the evidence comes BEFORE the conclusion, that is the way science works, then from there we can make educated hypothesis about what else we should find if our theory is indeed true.

Therefore we can make predictions with it etc.

Please read the above essay, and you will see why ID is NOT scientific, it starts with a conclusion, and then tries to find evidence to fit that assumption, just as creationists do. And then of course ignoring evidence that will disprove their initial assumption.

If a scientific theory makes a prediction, and it proves to be false, the theory is either modified, or tossed out for a better theory.

This is OBJECTIVE by any definition of the term.

Again, Evolution is as objective as you can get.
249 posted on 06/22/2003 12:10:35 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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