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Church tosses defiant minister: He refused to stop performing gay marriages
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^
| Tuesday, June 17, 2003
| Andrea Uhde
Posted on 06/17/2003 5:27:26 PM PDT by HatSteel
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To: HatSteel
The church is now 1/3 homosexual. Does that mean if a church gets a majority of homosexuals, knowingly or unknowingly, that the church could vote to allow same-sex marriages?
I know liberals who say there is NOTHING in the bible about same-sex couples.
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posted on
06/17/2003 5:58:07 PM PDT
by
Susannah
(Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
If homosexuals push the issue of same sex marriage, I think it's going to backfire. People are sick and tired of having the homosexual agenda pushed on them. Society, their kids, church, nothing is sacred. "We're here, we're queer and we're in your face!" Well, maybe, don't be surprised if folks vote against you at every opportunity, because it's going to happen more frequently the more you push.
The minister should have stepped down rather than hijack the church. As an employee or clergy member of the church, he must abide by it's stated beliefs. If he thinks it is wrong, he should disassociate with it on moral grounds. Providing this is about moral as he states.
To: HatSteel
7To fast on my keyboard, sorry.
There's the ARPs, Bible, Evangelical, Free, PCA, PCUSA, Orthodox, Reformed Presbyterian Church in North American, Cumberland, and I can't think of any more....
Still think there are 2 over 250,000.
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posted on
06/17/2003 5:58:37 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
To: ianincali
FYI: The Presbyterian Church in America is a representative government. Women have the same right to elect deacons and elders as men. Granted women can't serve as such. The New Testament clearly identifies men as preachers and elders. If you are not familiar enough with scripture to know that, I'm not going to provide proofs, you need to read the books written by Paul.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:03:45 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
To: Gamecock
What is an ARP?
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:04:31 PM PDT
by
HatSteel
To: ianincali
I don't think there is even one new testament example of a woman elder or a woman apostle.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:05:23 PM PDT
by
HatSteel
To: ohioWfan
Some subject to debate about the role of women, Gamecock......even among equally dedicated evangelical ChristiansI know that. Our friend was making a sarcastic attack against the PCA (see #8), I wasn't slamming other evangelicals, just defending PCA doctrine to ianincali....
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:06:23 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
To: HatSteel
Associate Reformed Presbyterian (sorry)
Mostly found in the South.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:07:21 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
To: HatSteel; All
"Jesus & Steve" -- I feel sick. May God protect these children from the "adult" who dreamt that up.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:08:23 PM PDT
by
dighton
(NLC™)
To: Gamecock
Gotcha. :o)
(And I caught the sarcasm).
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:12:33 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
To: ianincali
The roles for women and men are
different. You'd have a hard time finding a Christian marriage, following the Bible, where the woman thought she had to be "subservient."
Not sure what kind of "backwood" church you're talking about, but the Bible is where conditions for deacons and such are laid out. If you have a problem with it, your problem is with God, not man.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
Difference in roles does not imply that one is lesser.
MM
To: HatSteel
Paul lists many women as co-workers in various New Testament churches in his epistles.
That the early church had any women in leadership roles was absolutely revolutionary for the time and the culture, and it was because of Jesus' example and treatment of women as equals.
Galations 3:28....."There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:19:09 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
To: MississippiMan
As a Christian wife of a man who follows Biblical teaching on how to be a Christian husband.......head of our home, but subservient to Christ, and loving and respecting me as Christ loves the Church...... I would say that it is not at all difficult to submit to a man who is submitting to Jesus, even when you're not particularly submissive by nature. :o)
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:23:43 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
To: HatSteel
It's too bad all presbyterian churches aren't cut from the same cloth as Coral Ridge Ministries led by Dr. James Kennedy..
http://www.coralridge.org/
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:25:52 PM PDT
by
Zipporah
To: Zipporah
It's too bad all presbyterian churches aren't cut from the same cloth as Coral Ridge Ministries led by Dr. James Kennedy..Awesome Man od God
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:30:10 PM PDT
by
RnMomof7
To: RnMomof7
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:32:05 PM PDT
by
Zipporah
To: HatSteel
As a deacon in a Presbyterian church I would like to correct a few misconceptions.
First - the word Presbyterian refers to the form of church government. It is from the Presbyterian church that the government of the USA was modeled. The church leaders are elected from the bottom level (local congregation) to the top (General assembly delegates and moderator).
Because every member has a real vote that carries - in diluted form - all the way to the top, there can be expected to be some of what many of us consider to be lunacy, wrong thinking, and unbiblical positions. There is also a belief that God will have the ultimate say.
My church is a conservative, Bible-believing and teaching congregation. But even if it starts to lean in the other direction, it is my obligation to stick around and try to correct it, rather than cut and run. We do our best to preserve and protect God's institutions, even under popular pressure.
May all Christians pray that God's will and message be preserved in one of His long-standing institutions.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:41:55 PM PDT
by
WayneM
To: dighton
AMEN
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:45:47 PM PDT
by
squirt
To: ohioWfan
Also there is the verse about an elder being the "husband of one wife."
It is unlikely that Jesus and Paul were afraid to appoint women to leadership positions. Neither of them strike me as being fearful of the opinions of others. If they didn't appoint women, then they didn't do so because they didn't want to do so.
At the same time, I agree that Jesus and Paul had an enlightened view of women for that era. But that is the era's fault for debasing women.
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:51:51 PM PDT
by
HatSteel
To: WayneM
Excellent post! Thank you!
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posted on
06/17/2003 6:57:18 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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