[dennisw]

I think the Trotskyist's fear nationalism. They hate ideas of borders-an evolution from the slogan "workers of the world unite" to maybe something like "citizens of the world unite." Citizens that are uni-racial, uni-cultural, uni-you name it. In other words it is the elimination of all things that make humans conflict with each other. To do so you need a strong hand to smash people into place when they don't act homogenized. That is why the laughable pronouncements that Iraq, after the war would somehow transform itself to a selfless democracy.

Trotsky sure sets you off. I guarantee he has little influence in America, little influence on the neo-conservatives and junior influence in the growth of world wide communism. You inflate him and give him too much credit. Just like his devotees. Perhaps in Europe Trotsky gets debated and discussed. Not in America.

Seems a lot of people are trying to denigrate neo-conservatism by tying it to Leon Trotsky.

[TradicalRC]

Do you see the irony in stating that Trotsky does not get debated and discussed in America being posted on this thread?

I must leave with a quote from Leon "the Pussycat"Trotsky:

"The dictatorship of the Communist Party is maintained by recourse to every form of violence."
-Terrorism and Communism, 1924, p.71

[Destro]

Not really--you have seen from my anti-Islam posts that I am not aconformist nor do judge things willy nilly. Eliminate Trotsky for a moment-(I agree the neocons are not commies just evolved from them)-did what I define fit the neocon world view?

[u-89]

Seems a lot of people are trying to denigrate neo-conservatism by tying it to Leon Trotsky.

Maybe because the founders of neoconservativism never are able to say "I was wrong" - rather they revel in their Trotskite past and they boast of being intellectuals and how high brow they were compared to the Stalinists. Also they seem to have never lost the desire for world revolution. They change horses in mid race again and again to whoever will best suit their purposes. Their loyalty is to the revolution though the details of the final utopia get finessed from time to time. The are not and never were conservatives let alone libertarians.

BTW you seem to be defending Trotsky like he was some sort of respectable fellow being slandered. That doesn't come across well to old time conservatives (anti-communists) who you might be trying to win over to your side.

One more BTW - the "he was just a military leader during the revolution" argument doesn't cut it - the Reds Army killed a lot more than White combatants. They killed a lot of civilians in a reign of terror against any villages suspected (that's suspected not necessarily did) of helping the Whites to make examples of them so the other villages would fearfully support the Reds just like the Vietnamese communists did much later against their people.