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To: dennisw
Seems a lot of people are trying to denigrate neo-conservatism by tying it to Leon Trotsky.

Maybe because the founders of neoconservativism never are able to say "I was wrong" - rather they revel in their Trotskite past and they boast of being intellectuals and how high brow they were compared to the Stalinists. Also they seem to have never lost the desire for world revolution. They change horses in mid race again and again to whoever will best suit their purposes. Their loyalty is to the revolution though the details of the final utopia get finessed from time to time. The are not and never were conservatives let alone libertarians.

BTW you seem to be defending Trotsky like he was some sort of respectable fellow being slandered. That doesn't come across well to old time conservatives (anti-communists) who you might be trying to win over to your side.

One more BTW - the "he was just a military leader during the revolution" argument doesn't cut it - the Reds Army killed a lot more than White combatants. They killed a lot of civilians in a reign of terror against any villages suspected (that's suspected not necessarily did) of helping the Whites to make examples of them so the other villages would fearfully support the Reds just like the Vietnamese communists did much later against their people.

74 posted on 06/17/2003 10:14:58 AM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
Maybe because the founders of neoconservativism never are able to say "I was wrong" - rather they revel in their Trotskite past

Nonsense. Got any names?

 and they boast of being intellectuals and how high brow they were compared to the Stalinists. 

Perhaps. Even you are more highbrow than the Stalinists.

Also they seem to have never lost the desire for world revolution. 

And what kind of revolution are they busy promoting these days?

They change horses in mid race again and again to whoever will best suit their purposes. Their loyalty is to the revolution 

And what kind of revolution are they busy promoting these days?

though the details of the final utopia get finessed from time to time. 

The are not and never were conservatives.......

Others disagree. You are a paleo's paleo and busy trying to read some people out of the conservative movement. There seems to be some bad blood and your faction is as much responsible as the neo conservatives are.

let alone libertarians.

Finally you complement the neos!

BTW you seem to be defending Trotsky like he was some sort of respectable fellow being slandered. 

Straw man argument. I'm saying he's not the totalitarian mass murderer that Hitler, Stalin Mao Lenin Pol Pot are. Not even close.

That doesn't come across well to old time conservatives (anti-communists) who you might be trying to win over to your side.

80 posted on 06/17/2003 11:29:16 AM PDT by dennisw
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