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To: dennisw; Dr. Frank
Let me see if I can do it this way....

The majority of the big cheeses of the neo-con movement were Trotskyites or a form of communist once - can we agree on that?

They no longer are communists - can we agree on that?

Now we get to the tricky part - in that move to the right the neocons brought with them a certain world view - certain ways of thinking about the world not standard to the American conservative movement now dubbed paleo-con.

That this way of seeing the world may or may not be Trotskyite is off the table for the time being can we at least agree to my above paragraph?

I also want to apologize for calling Dr. Frank, dumb. Even if I thought so - and I don't - I should not have said it.

147 posted on 06/19/2003 7:06:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
The majority of the big cheeses of the neo-con movement were Trotskyites or a form of communist once - can we agree on that?

Well, they were on the left, certainly. (This is a tautology seeing as how it's part of the definition of "neo-con"; if a person was never on the left, they wouldn't be called a "neo-con" in the first place. At least if we actually use its definition. ;-)

They no longer are communists - can we agree on that?

Sure. (Also tautological. If they were still communists they'd be communists, not conservatives, and therefore not "neo-cons".)

in that move to the right the neocons brought with them a certain world view - certain ways of thinking about the world not standard to the American conservative movement

Says who? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe some did, and some didn't. You kinda need to explain who exactly you have in mind here ("the neocons" is too vague) and what "world view" or, more likely, views you think these specific people "brought with them", before I can possibly agree to the characterization. As of now it's just too vague.

I also want to apologize for calling Dr. Frank, dumb. Even if I thought so - and I don't - I should not have said it.

Heh, I'd forgotten you had. :-) (So, maybe I am dumb ;-) Anyway, no worries....

152 posted on 06/19/2003 10:43:07 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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