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To: Destro
The majority of the big cheeses of the neo-con movement were Trotskyites or a form of communist once - can we agree on that?

Well, they were on the left, certainly. (This is a tautology seeing as how it's part of the definition of "neo-con"; if a person was never on the left, they wouldn't be called a "neo-con" in the first place. At least if we actually use its definition. ;-)

They no longer are communists - can we agree on that?

Sure. (Also tautological. If they were still communists they'd be communists, not conservatives, and therefore not "neo-cons".)

in that move to the right the neocons brought with them a certain world view - certain ways of thinking about the world not standard to the American conservative movement

Says who? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe some did, and some didn't. You kinda need to explain who exactly you have in mind here ("the neocons" is too vague) and what "world view" or, more likely, views you think these specific people "brought with them", before I can possibly agree to the characterization. As of now it's just too vague.

I also want to apologize for calling Dr. Frank, dumb. Even if I thought so - and I don't - I should not have said it.

Heh, I'd forgotten you had. :-) (So, maybe I am dumb ;-) Anyway, no worries....

152 posted on 06/19/2003 10:43:07 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
Paleo-cons do have a rich history-simplified-pretty much they want nothing to do with the world in terms of shaping it. You leave my nation alone we leave you alone attitude. In the 30s and early 40s they were called isolationists or nativists.

The Cold War was an immediate threat to America so paleocons had no problem in being gung ho for confrontation. The Reagan Doctrine, IMHO was a paleo-con inspired policy of letting the natives fight the cold war.

The fact that some of those we helped arm (Saddam, what was to be al-Qaeda) were scum bags animates (again my opinion) neo-cn thinking in that we have to do it ourselves. Which again sounds a lot like war democrat talk of LBJ (from my readings anyway-the LBJ era was way before my time).

153 posted on 06/19/2003 10:51:48 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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