Posted on 06/16/2003 8:31:43 AM PDT by yonif
Pointing out that Palestinians use the language of religion to promote their jihad against the Jewish state rather than the language of Aqaba, Rabbi Dov Lior, the chairman of the Council of Rabbis of Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza Strip, quoted traditional Jewish sources in his call on Arab countries last Thursday to award the "right of return" to Palestinian Arabs.
Radio stations and newspapers over the weekend reported Lior's statement as a call for the "transfer" of Arabs. A source closed to the council explained that Lior's stance was based on Jewish law, which holds that those who do not observe the Noahide laws could not dwell in the Holy Land. Among the Noahide laws is prohibition against bloodshed, and Arabs who either support bloodshed, or fail to denounce it, could not be permitted to dwell in the land.
The statement referred to biblical sources to the effect that only those gentiles who accept Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel are permitted to dwell in it, quoting the verse, "And you will settle the land and no one will terrify you."
The council source emphasized that, while the statement was on the ideological and not operative level, it addressed the root religious reason of why the two peoples could not live in the same parcel of land.
Voluntary transfer has been the platform of the Moledet Party, founded by assassinated minister Rehavam Ze'evi.
The official spokesman of the council, Rabbi Daniel Shilo of Kedumim, was quoted by the press as saying that the statement was Lior's alone. Rabbi Nachum Berkowitz of Ma'ale Adumim, another of the seven rabbis who make up the council, said he had not been informed of the statement before it was issued.
Lior, a child Holocaust survivor, is among the foremost rabbinical authorities of the national religious world.
Rabbi Yuval Sherlo, head of the Petah Tikva hesder yeshiva, said that while there is no argument that those who commit terrorism do not have the right to live here, "one has to be very careful of definition. One can't describe all the Palestinians living in Israel as terrorist supporters. That's like a license to kill them, because even President Bush has said that those who support terrorism don't have the right to exist."
I'm not demeaning the American or Israeli military. They are the two finest on the planet.
But the difference between the Japanese/Nazis and the Arabs is that the Nazis/Japanese understood what defeat was Once defeated, they were willing to lay down the fight and live in peace. Your scenario suggest that once defeated, the Arabs would lay down the fight and live in peace.
Their history suggests the exact opposite.
I'd vote for returning the Egyptian Yasser Arafat to h*ll.
Right. I think the recent poll only showed something like, what, 98% support for continuing terror attacks against Israeli civilians?
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Because the US and the UN persuaded Israel to give up most of what was won. This time, there'll be nothing but scorched earth left of these critters. Then Israel can get on with the business of peace - of course with 17 nukes pointed at every Arab city. And personally, I hope the firing buttons are ticklish enough to go off if a fly lands on one.
The Islamikazis have not seen that level of defeat since the days of Stalin, and as such do not believe that they were defeated, merely set back a step.
What needs be done is to totally crush any regime that supports terror. Retaliation for terror attacks should be wildly disproportionate. For example, if another bombing attack occurs in Jerusalem, erase Ramallah from the map, Arafat included. Another major attack like the Passover attack last year, exterminate every resident of Gaza City.
Sooner or later they'll either wise up, or we'll have killed them all off... either way, problem solved.
Rotfl. Using that special version, so popular with those special sites?
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html
http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/talmud.html
Special sites? What exactly are you insinuating this time? From their website:
Mechon Mamre is a small group of ultra-observant Jewish Torah scholars in Israel who live by the plain and simple meaning of the RaMBaM's Mishneh Torah and actively encourage others to do so. Most of us belong to the mainstream "Baladi" Yemenite Jewish community, continuing the tradition of living by the Mishneh Torah since the very days when the RaMBaM lived, and are students of the Rav Yosef ben-Dawid QaafiH zS"l (the leading rabbinical expert in recent generations on the teachings of the RaMBaM in general and on his Mishneh Torah in particular).
Our original main purpose in this site was to put before you (whether Jew or Gentile) the most accurate currently available version of the Mishneh Torah Code in its entirety, to provide you with guidance for its proper study and understanding, and to encourage you to actually observe its clear and brief formulation of the divine laws. But we soon realized that since the Oral Law and the Written Law are ultimately one and they should be learned and observed together, we needed to complete our online Torah-learning resources by adding the Hebrew Bible in various versions tailored to the needs of learners at differing stages in their learning.
Mechon Mamre 12 Hayyim Vital St. Jerusalem, ISRAEL 972-2-652-1906
Do you have a problem with these people for some reason?
After they're forced to leave Israel, I don't care where they go.
You are using a very odd version, not exactly mainstream, and mostly popular with neonazi sites such as hoffman-info and stormfront - where your exact quotes can be found.
How very strange ;).
No :).
Is that the best you can do, troll? Why don't you google up one of your Kahane sites - maybe you'll be able to find a refutation of this group there.
-snip-"The Jews have misplaced their faith. Gifted with thinking the best about human potential, Jews have made decisions that too often are not in their interests -- such as allowing mortal enemies to live among them and giving up land seized for their own protection after five wars and numerous terrorist attacks.
Israel should declare its intention to transfer large numbers of its Palestinian residents to Arab nations. This sounds radical until one considers that is precisely what Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have done. After the Palestinians assisted Saddam Hussein in Iraq's invasion of Kuwait during the Gulf War (which Arafat cheered while calling on Hussein to shell Israel), Kuwait forcibly evicted and transferred to Jordan about 300,000 Palestinians, labeling them as traitors and a fifth column. Saudi Arabia also recognized Arafat's betrayal of their Kuwaiti hosts by transferring about 350,000 Palestinians to Jordan.
Those diplomats who regularly denounce Israel for any perceived slight against Palestinians were noticeably silent about these transfers. As Emanuel Winston writes in a another commentary: "No Arab country, other than Jordan, trusts or welcomes Palestinians into its country as citizens. Even the radical Arab nations of Syria (and) Lebanon (under Syrian control), Iraq and Iran keep them segregated in squalid refugee camps, knowing full well their reputation for breaking agreements and conspiring against their host government.''
How quickly we forget "Black September'' in 1970. Arafat tried to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan. Hussein killed thousands and drove Arafat and his Palestinians into Lebanon. Arafat, who had broken numerous agreements by then, began a 12-year reign of terror against Christian and Muslim Lebanese. More than 100,000 Lebanese were murdered. raped and tortured by Arafat's Palestinians. The current model of "land for peace'' is not working, nor can it work given the objectives of Arafat and Israel's other enemies. Eviction is a better avenue to stability. Will it happen? Probably not. Should it? Yes."
It’s not so much the source, rather your interpretation.
I don’t know if they’re reputable or authoritative or not, they’re a small group of Yemenite Jews (their description) living in Israel and maintaining a website.
What is bizarre is your interpretation that Apparently this would exclude Christians from living in the Holy Land. Total nonsense, refuted by present day facts, and an opinion espoused exclusively on white supremacist and jihadist sites, citing your source as proof. Some of the best neonazi sites, I might add.
If you’d read the quote you provided, you’d note it says it is not just being a member of a denomination in which the majority are believers in the Trinity that is idolatry, but personal idolatrous practice, whatever the individual's affiliation. You, not the source, seem to be suggesting that Christians are idolaters, pretty silly. But if that’s your premise, fine, post a vanity in the religion forum, I’m sure you’ll get some answers.
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