Why Amnesty for Illegals is Bad Idea

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[Joe Hadenuf]

We have enough gardeners, maids, lettuce pickers, gang members and more than enough DemocRATS

Are you sure you couldn't use a few hundred thousand more? Well if the FEDERAL government has their way, that is exacly what they are going to send you.

[SUSSA]

Just the other day the Dallas Morning News ran an article about the high school and college students who can’t find work because adults are taking jobs that nobody but kids wanted when unemployment was low. Now unemployment is at a 9 year high and American families are hurting. The unemployed are taking anything they can find to put food on the table. The myth about Americans not being willing to work is being blown out of the water by the jobless recovery.

The article failed to mention that the criminal aliens are also taking the jobs that our citizens could be working at if the criminals were rounded up and jailed or sent home.

These criminals are costing us huge amounts of dollars both directly and indirectly. We need a minefield from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific and helicopter gunships patrolling the minefield incase anyone makes it through.

Your point about jailing the criminals who hire the criminal aliens is good. We should also take their business or if the work is being done on their home we should take it.

Under the RICO law the government can take their property and they have to prove they are innocent to get it back. The RICO law is used against Christians trying to save babies from being slaughtered. It should be put to productive use defending our borders from these criminal invaders and the fifth columnists who hire and harbor them.

[SUSSA]

Just the other day the Dallas Morning News ran an article about the high school and college students who can’t find work because adults are taking jobs that nobody but kids wanted when unemployment was low. Now unemployment is at a 9 year high and American families are hurting. The unemployed are taking anything they can find to put food on the table. The myth about Americans not being willing to work is being blown out of the water by the jobless recovery.

The article failed to mention that the criminal aliens are also taking the jobs that our citizens could be working at if the criminals were rounded up and jailed or sent home.

These criminals are costing us huge amounts of dollars both directly and indirectly. We need a minefield from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific and helicopter gunships patrolling the minefield incase anyone makes it through.

Your point about jailing the criminals who hire the criminal aliens is good. We should also take their business or if the work is being done on their home we should take it.

Under the RICO law the government can take their property and they have to prove they are innocent to get it back. The RICO law is used against Christians trying to save babies from being slaughtered. It should be put to productive use defending our borders from these criminal invaders and the fifth columnists who hire and harbor them.

[Risa]

>>The biggest reason Americans won't do those jobs is that the employers have to compete with the welfare office.<<

You make an excellent point, and the make-work idea is intriguing, too, one that I think would be very useful in our own country. Here in Portland, Maine, we have far too many male Somalis standing around in immovable hordes on the city streets in the summertime. (They will part, however, and let you pass, if you have even the tiniest dog on leash.) I am sure many Americans would be better off kept busy in this way, too.

[Risa]

Has anyone seen this? -->


Joseph Sandowski with the Sachem Quality of Life organization in Long Island has
filed a lawsuit against President Bush for encouraging the immigration flood, see:

http://lettersforcourt.blogspot.com/

[Risa]

Has anyone seen this? -->


Joseph Sandowski with the Sachem Quality of Life organization in Long Island has
filed a lawsuit against President Bush for encouraging the immigration flood, see:

http://lettersforcourt.blogspot.com/

[DLfromthedesert]

Mr. Sadowski could sure use a spell check ... LOL!!

[Jeff Gordon]

They are not illegals. The fresh meat for the Libral voting machines. The libs want them here and kept just alive enough to vote.

[BillyBoy]

>> more than enough DemocRATS. Not according to the RATS, that's why they're importing them from south of the border. <<

But haven't you heard? Illegal aliens who break our laws are NATURAL hard-working "social conservatives" who support pro-life and pro-family ideals in droves. Why, just look at the kind of people they elect to "represent" them:

[He Rides A White Horse]

Why Amnesty for Illegals is Bad Terrible Idea

[GatekeeperBookman]

I applaud your finding & posting this. Maybe it will do some good.

[GatekeeperBookman]

John cornyn is a smooth character-his act is supurb. I wish he would move to hollywood, and ditto the disgusting, vacuous, dangerously stupid Kay Bailey. She doubled up with Hitlary for a 40+ million dollar bill to fund a nationwide '211' phone service-to assist the 'poor' in finding their free services!

[GatekeeperBookman]

Under the RICO law the government can take their property and they have to prove they are innocent to get it back. The RICO law is used against Christians trying to save babies from being slaughtered. It should be put to productive use defending our borders from these criminal invaders and the fifth columnists who hire and harbor them.


BINGO! It's a RICO thing. The Mexican Embassy & Counsulates, the formerly Catholic Church, etc. etc.

[Imagine]

ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Those from Muslim countries, or individuals of Islamic faith from any country, shall be denied immigration privileges to the US.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every 6 months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies who fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire illegal workers, shall be subject to penalty. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible for unemployment claims.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) (NEW) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) (NEW) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) (NEW) Foreign Students (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private or public institution (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the FS attends school full-time. Foreign students shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended and the originating country shall indemnify the students for any and all loss caused by that individual while he/she is on U.S. Soil.

[GatekeeperBookman]

Your 16 points are very good.

17. Make any potential immigrant post a bond-a very large bond, sliding scale, inverse to their education-job status-personal wealth. We have enough folks who need to work their way up. We could simple let them that already 'can' come here, & 'do'.

[Risa]

>>I applaud your finding & posting this. Maybe it will do some good. <<

Thank you, Gatekeeperbookman. I am skeptical it will do any good, because our activist high courts, since the late 1960s and 1970s, have interpreted our constitution to meet the needs of immigration expansionists and illegal aliens, despite overwhelming public opposition. But Joseph Sandowski is surely an admirable, brave soul to take on the Bush Administration.

It will be interesting to see how the Judge will act and on what basis.

regards,
risa



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[Risa]

>>ACTION PLAN: Border Violators <<

I like your Border Violation plan, imagine. But I think we must face the truth: our President wants open borders, and he does not care what you or I think. Without recognizing this, and understanding why, we will never be motivated to form the vigorous, well-organized, political movement needed to change the immigration status quo.

The Bush administration has embraced an economic plan which requires free movement of capital, goods, and LABOR across world borders. What the current and previous administration sold to us as the inevitable, unstoppable force of 'globalization,' the harsh reality of which we must accept, is really an extreme form of free-trade theory, called 'libertarian economics.' And at the very same time they swore it was all inevitable, they were crafting the laws and policies to make it happen.

Think about it, in the libertarian world-market of George Bush, we cannot compete with China, India or Mexico without a huge reserve of cheap labor--skilled and unskilled. Permitting the continuous flow of illegal-aliens, providing them with amnesty, and allowing the entry os skilled H1-bs, despite so many unemployed Americans, are necessary for libertarian economics to work.

In the libertarian world market, American majority opinion does not matter. Free-market anarchy lets the chips, i.e. the American people and their communities, fall where they may. Government interference is anathema. That's why all our services will eventually be privatized, which isn't a bad idea, I suppose, if Americans were the privatizers, but just wait until some huge, French conglomerate takes over your potable water supply and waste treatment systems, as they clamor to do now, and as they did in Australia and British Columbia with drastic results (people standing knee-deep in sewage in their basements, coliform bacteria in the water).

I am not suggesting a conspiracy to destroy America on the part of government. Libertarian economic theory is cast in terms of moral responsibility, it's like a fundamentalist religion, and I imagine George Bush believes he's doing the right thing. ( I say 'fundamentalist religion' because they invoke notions of the morality of unfettered competition, and the evil of the nation-state, and government interference. Also, anyone who questions the rationality of such a radical economic policy, stressing the unpleasant consequences for many Americans, is denounced as anti-capitalist, anti-business, a communist or a socialist.) Just for the record, I am a Republican, pro-business, pro-labor and pro-capitalism.

So we, and I think the majority of Americans, have been depoliticized along with a majority of mericans. Yet we are responsible (at least I am), for not attending to government, for not making the effort to understand what was going on, and for not making our voices heard, long ago, when all of this began. I know I always assumed our governing classes were acting in the best interests of business AND the people, since the well-being of both are neccessary. Libertarian economics doesn't give a damn about borders, American workers,
American communities or society. It's all for business, and not the smaller businesses--only the mega-conglomerates benefit and possibly those who support them.

So whether we support a Bush replacement in 2004, as I do, or an independent party (scary, because Dems could win, and then we'll get libertarianism AND socialism) or work to make our voices heard, we first need to organize all the disparate voices out there. We need to emulate the political activity of the powerful coalition of business, political entrepreneurs, ethnic groups and lawyers who have been so successful at maintaing and expanding immigration policy.

What we don't have in funding, we do have in numbers.

risa

[Consort]

I intend to vote for Tom Tancredo as a write-in candidate in the '04 GA primary and the national election.

Didn't you learn anything in '92?

[Consort]

So whether we support a Bush replacement in 2004, as I do, or an independent party (scary, because Dems could win, and then we'll get libertarianism AND socialism) or work to make our voices heard, we first need to organize all the disparate voices out there.

Disparate voices....geez. Was your voice heard in '92 when you threw out Bush? Hell no. All you did was enable the Clintons. Thanks a lot.

[PatrioticAmerican]

If Bush thinks that Amnesty will get him Mexican votes, he had better think twice about that. He WILL lose Americans votes, mine included.

This issue, alone, could cost the Republicans any control of anything they have, federal or state.