The Universe of the Illegal Alien

Center for Immigration Studies ^ | June 2003 | Victor Davis Hanson

[OregonRancher]

Ck #33

[Cacique]

ping

[Luis Gonzalez]

Hard to return to Vietnam.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"To the worker, the initial realization that there is such an El Dorado is dazzling, quite unbelievable. Young males under 30 years of age in their first tour of duty in America seem starved for work. They toil 10 hours a day - amazed that they have more money in their wallets in a week than they once had in an entire year."

~~~~snip~~~~

"You can have 10 times what you had in Mexico, but still be miserable that you have one-tenth what others in America do."

The beginning of assimilation is realization.

[Joe Hadenuf]

For the second time today I say "california is really a sink hole, I feel sorry for those who live there"

Sure, I think I'll pack up and head to, uh, uh...New Jersey.......Hehehe.....

[SAMWolf]

Bump!

Good read Marine Inspector.

[Clemenza]

I often wonder what happened to those people and their descendents. I really, really wonder. You never hear about them anymore.

You're talking about the Okies. Their children went to work in defense plants or other blue collar work, while their grandchildren went to college and became successful or at least Gary Condit.

[Clemenza]

Also most Asian cultures have a much heavier respect and emphasis on education, a sure way to avoid backbreaking labor and instead earn an air-conditioned desk job.

Like comparing apples to oranges or avocado to lychee. Most Asians who come to this country and are successful were at least Middle Class and higher, as it is EXPENSIVE to immigrate here from China and India. There are a few who come as slave labor (and work piecemeal jobs in garment factories here in NYC) and are VERY poor, even here in the US. The reason Asiatics are the "model minority" that white people often point to is that most Asians (especially Koreans and Indians) come hear with at least a middle class background.

[Clemenza]

Things will never get better for the Mexican people until they rise up and drive the elitist government leaders from power and then set up their own government Porfiriarto with that of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI).

[Clemenza]

Things will never get better for the Mexican people until they rise up and drive the elitist government leaders from power and then set up their own government

Already happenned in the early 20th Century, something known as the "Mexican Revolution." Unfortunately, it merely replaced the old elite of the Porfiriarto with that of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI).

[judgeandjury]

Already happenned in the early 20th Century, something known as the "Mexican Revolution." Unfortunately, it merely replaced the old elite of the Porfiriarto with that of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI).

"If at first you don't succeed with the revolution, try, try again."

[Skywalk]

Yes and no.

Not all Vietnamese came here as "middle-class"(and what is middle-class in VN during the 60/70s or Korea in the 70s?)


BTW, I don't like the derisive tone usually associated with "model minority" because typically the next word that follows it is "myth." Unfortunately for the race pimps, when speaking in generalities there will always be large numbers of exceptions. However, the facts speak for themselves--and if you want a reason for Asians success, it ain't that they were middle class.

I've known too many people whose parents started as boat people with little education or wealth.

The worst part of it is, many asians(and others), will point out the exceptions among Asians to prove...prove what? Prove that a generalization isn't correct. Well whoop-dee-do, Basil. I suppose we should point to Miguel Estrada as the norm among hispanics.

I guess then, because we have poor people in the US, we should discount the general reality of the freedom and economic opportunity here?

[DLfromthedesert]

Thanks, JB. Great article. Now we need some bright person with a solution.

[Clemenza]

Agreed.

[Clemenza]

No, not all of the Vietnamese who came here were middle class. Nevertheless, a disproportionate number were from the civil servant and professional classes in South Vietnam. The big exception were the Hmong, many of whom remain on welfare in places like Appleton, WI.

As far as Koreans are concerned, if you talk with many Koreans, you will find that many, if not most, have college degrees from back in the old country. They were "middle class" in Korea, which is different from being middle class in the USA. They were NOT peasants like the Mexican indians who immigrate here.

[liberalnot]

i copied this article.

it's the best thing i've seen on this forum in a long time.

[Brian Allen]

<< Vietnamese immigrants arrive with all this baggage, and more besides. And yet they don't seem to fall into the same hopeless rut. Why not? >>

1. IQ;

2. They are doubly blessed in that liberals don't like Asians -- and don't turn them into "Minorities." [AKA victims]

[FITZ]

Unfortunately, it merely replaced the old elite of the Porfiriarto with that of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI).

And the irony in that ---Porfirio Diaz was a full-blooded Oaxacan Indian who was president of Mexico before the Revolution and he had to exile to Spain. The Mexican people were probably better off in many ways before the Revolution ----the thought of an Indian president now would be considered absurd by the elites they have now.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Marine Inspector beat me to the article, beautiful.

The solution is simple, but vastly ugly: Revolution in Mexico. We can stop them at the border here, but it won't help them at home.

I'm tired and thoroughly dehydrated at the moment; one more swig of Gatorade or another salt pill will cost me yet another keyboard. Admission that I am fighting it off with copious quantities of West Indies rum will only garner me an RN lecture on our friend the electrolyte.

[FITZ]

It's definitely a worthwhile article. It explains the destruction of the social fabric of Mexico, the family has been destroyed and the sudden increase in violent crime is the one of the results. The maquilas tend to hire only women because they're more docile and so are another factor, you've got the young mothers leaving children without adequate daycare ---sometimes locking them inside homes for security until they return from work. Fathers are long-gone, traditional ways are out the door. Kids turn to the streets to be raised. The extended family is also destroyed ---where the traditional Mexican lived very close to the extended family, it's now broken up and scattered throughout two countries.