Northern Illinois United Methodist Conference Urges: Homosexuality/bisexuality "gift of God"

Methodist Federation for Social Action | June 6, 2003 | Rev. Bob Campbell, Legislative Coordinator> Coordinator

[aruanan]

Sounds like Methodists, the last time I had a conversation with a Methodist preacher he informed me there are no such things as literal angels or demons, that the reference to each in the bible is merely a figgure of speech. Not to pick on the Methodists, I hold all organized religion in suspecion.

Try Free Methodism.

[aruanan]

I'm sure someone has said this already, since I'm coming to the thread late, but John Wesley must be spinning in his grave.

Probably not. Wesley in his time had to deal with a strong antinomian movement in early Methodism. I think Wesley would be the last person to be surprised at the current trend.

[scripter]

Thanks for pinging the homosexual agenda. A ping to the rest of you folks.

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[Dr. Eckleburg]

Thanks, Elsie.

I'd almost forgotten. 8~)

[Gritty]

Some day these people may pick up their Bibles and start reading them again - perhaps merely out of curiosity.

Until then, there is no hope for this apostate denomination or the theological suckers who remain sitting in the pews supporting this clique of fools.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Hi, Rev. Hope you're well.

I think there's a clear connection between the idea of man determining his own fate and man fleeing God's authority. Left on his own, man will always choose the slippery-slope of sin.

But when we believe it is God's domain to bestow grace or withhold it, the church naturally stays God-centered, and not man-centered.

It's that faulty concept of the almighty human free will that is the hole in the dyke. (Am I mixing too many metaphors here?)

[GrandMoM]

GOD REJECTED

[GrandMoM]

BUMP....see post #127

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Well, as a NEW Bible Presbyterian..."

Lots of good stuff there, RnMom.

http://bpc.org/BPC_TOC.html

[freepy smurf]

2003-06-16

umc@umcom.org, jwinkler@umc-gbcs.org, mfsa@mfsaweb.org

Dear Sirs,

The United Methodist Church’s embrace of the gay agenda is reprehensible and socially repugnant. The choice of an individual to turn his sexual habits into an entire lifestyle or a means of defining himself is not an issue for a society or a church to get involved in. This organization’s abandoning of family values in favor of supporting the selfish concerns and agenda of a mere 1% of the population is revolting and completely void of moral continence. Henceforth, I revoke my membership in the United Methodist Church and from now on my family will attend the local Baptist church.

[freepy smurf]

Hillsborough, NC

G-d rest her soul, I hope my gramma forgives me.

[strongbow]

Tricky, I have heard about this and am glad to see some within the UMC have decided to follow God and not man. I left the UMC 20 years ago and my parents are still in it. They like many Methodists are in major denial and speak with disdain of "liberal churches" as though they were not the prime represenative. Though not an armenian anymore I still have a great deal of respect for the Wesley brothers and still think some of the greatest hymns were penned by them. The biography of Wesley is one of the best books I have ever read. Because I am now overwhelmed by God's sovereignty I can not go along with Methodism even when preached by true evangelicals. None the less I do hope this movement has success and frees those within the UMC who do profess and need Christ as their only hope.

[Elsie]

I AM!

 

(This one?)

[L.N. Smithee]

That's where it's headed. Homosexuality is a racial category.

If you are wondering why Canada has all but endorsed same-sex marriage, that is the key -- in the eyes of the Canadian Supreme Court, there is no distinction between race and "orientation." Saying there is something unnatural or wrong about the way one has sexual intercourse is just as off-limits as suggesting that certain races are genetically inferior in the Great Politically Correct North.

It was on that basis that Dr. Laura Schlessinger was found to be "discriminatory" in her discussion of radical gay activism and the greater likelihood of homosexual men to be child molesters. As a result, a Canadian censors' committee placed restrictions on broadcast of her show in Canada, in the same way that Howard Stern was censured for making comments about French people (this was long before talk of an Iraq invasion).

[jocon307]

"Hey! Remember what G-d told th[e] whiner..."

What did He tell him? I was raised Roman Catholic, we don't study the Bible!

[Texas Patriot]

PING for later

[Im Your Huckleberry]

God will judge them. And I don't think it's gonna be how they hope.

Sick b@st@rds. This is the end result of sick, twisted, misguided and destructive "comp-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-sion" (<- to be read in "Michael Savage" voice).

We recently attended a child's christening at a United Methodist church near a major university in the midwest and were shocked and appaled to see what we saw. The church had to be over 75% gay - with gays and lesbians not only in the congregation, but with CHILDREN!. They were in the choir (of course) and serving in the operations of the church.

The entire family (it's only the parents of the kid that was being christened, who attended this bestial and monstrous "church") was stunned and outraged at being involved in this "ceremony" in this so-called "church"...without any warning as to what was going on there.

It was so deviant, so monstrous, so bestial and so vile, that some of the family members wanted to walk out. As soon as the "service" was over, most of us were out the door before the organ had ceased playing.

This is what's going on in church after church in this country.

Filthy and monstrous, is all I can say without launching into cursing, or other stuff that would probably get me banned from F.R.

Vile, absolutely vile. Thank God I'm a member of the Lutheran Church. They don't play around. No gays allowed, certainly not openly. Never with children. And absolutely no tolerance for it as an "acceptable lifestyle choice". They aren't call the behavior what it is; deviant, aberrant, and an abomination in the eyes of God.

Amen.

[Elsie]

NIV 1 Kings 19:11-18
 11.  The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by."   Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake.
 12.  After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
 13.  When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.   Then a voice said to him, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"
 14.  He replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, broken down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too." (WHA WHa Wha...)
 15.  The LORD said to him, "Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram.
 16.  Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.
 17.  Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu.
 18.  Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him."

[Elsie]

Filthy and monstrous, is all I can say without launching into cursing, or other stuff that would probably get me banned from F.R.

Possibly, maybe just the reply deleted; but DEFINITELY if it is directed at the *** organization.

[aruanan]

Yes.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yep, the vast wasteland to the north seems determined to turn its maple leaves into Mapplethorpes.

I like Robin Williams' description -- "Canada is like a loft apartment above a really great party."