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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: FourPeas
So basically you don't know that he doesn't show affection. So you're commenting on his actions based upon an assumption you made by an impression you received from reading an article. Uh huh.

Well if he was an affectionate kind of guy, he'd be married by now ;-)

181 posted on 06/15/2003 2:06:22 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: hellinahandcart
"the poor girl a bone"

Sorry, I just laughing at this!
182 posted on 06/15/2003 2:06:30 PM PDT by Rebelbase (........The bartender yells, "hey get out of here, we don't serve breakfast!")
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To: TheSpottedOwl
>>>>My oldest girl is getting married friday. Even though her and her fiancee live together, they are waiting for marriage. He's Hindu btw.>>>>>

Hi there! :)

Congrats! Is the wedding going to be Hindu or Catholic? How is your sweetheart grandaughter?

183 posted on 06/15/2003 2:07:45 PM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: Mister Magoo
Most men that choose to be celibate for religious reasons end up getting married very young.

And how many do you know ?

184 posted on 06/15/2003 2:07:57 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: fnord
God kills a kitten

Very smug for someone who lives in a society were the landscape is littered with broken families. You're like the New York Times when they lectured the Irish on their laws forbidding divorce. Where are the fruits of your philosophy of sex?

185 posted on 06/15/2003 2:08:35 PM PDT by 7 x 77
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To: 7 x 77
I know hundreds of Catholics from my parents generation and before who stayed married, and I know none that have the kind of marriage your talking about.

Hey you don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

186 posted on 06/15/2003 2:09:05 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Capriole
As for the idea of having sex with a steady girlfriend: no man should have sex with a steady girlfriend unless he's planning to marry her, because steady girlfriends get pregnant, too.

There are numerous methods of having sex, only one of which carries the risk of pregnancy.

187 posted on 06/15/2003 2:11:44 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Wilhelm Tell
I was going to jump in and comment on this thread.
Thanks for saving me the time.
Yours is better than mine would have been anyway.

"EVERY private issue, MUST be politicized, relgionized, regulated, taxed and hopefully controlled... for the good of the children that is..."

188 posted on 06/15/2003 2:11:46 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (What price treason?)
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To: Fred Mertz
Fred, if he's doing more than first and second base, he's having "safe sex", not exercising celibacy. ;D
189 posted on 06/15/2003 2:11:56 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: 7 x 77; fnord
You need to lighten up.
190 posted on 06/15/2003 2:12:02 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: maui_hawaii
Bikini girls grow in trees.

Where can I get one of those trees?

191 posted on 06/15/2003 2:12:33 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Mister Magoo
unless this guy is trying to pickup girls at Church, this comes across as "like totally gay"
192 posted on 06/15/2003 2:12:40 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: hellinahandcart
Didn't you hear... oral sex isn't sex. Just ask any elementary school kid! They learned it while Clinton was in office, so it must be the gospel truth! :)
193 posted on 06/15/2003 2:13:13 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: rwfromkansas
It would be called fornication.

There you go...feeling better now that that's off your chest?

194 posted on 06/15/2003 2:13:57 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: fnord
Hahahaaaa!!!

(yeah there's yet another sin)
195 posted on 06/15/2003 2:14:05 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I wonder how many people who were not virgins when they married, now wish that they had been virgins?

I wonder just the opposite.

196 posted on 06/15/2003 2:17:31 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Enterprise
She dates a man for six months and he doesn't want to give her hope for marriage, and won't get nekkid either.

The traditional response is for her to date other guys. You want to be just friends? OK, I sure you won't get jealous.

197 posted on 06/15/2003 2:17:41 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Dr. Frank
a hundred years ago few man would wait till age 33

A hundred years ago most men would be nearing the end of their life expentency. (Well, I think it was 45)

198 posted on 06/15/2003 2:19:14 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Hey you don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I have an aunt who's married to an alcoholic who spends most of his time at home upstairs drinking beer. She's devoted to him and the nine children they raised (he did at least make the money). It was not "horrible", it was very hard, but she has matured into a faithful person with a big heart. The kind of faithful servant who gave up her life to gain life. I have no doubt Jesus has prepared a room for her -- plus she's a happy person in this life (though stressed).

199 posted on 06/15/2003 2:19:26 PM PDT by 7 x 77
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Good answer.
200 posted on 06/15/2003 2:20:24 PM PDT by Tribune7
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