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Yes, They Were Guilty. But of What Exactly? [NYT FINALLY admits Rosenbergs were guilty!]
NY Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 06/15/2003 6:43:14 AM PDT by Pharmboy


Robert, left, and Michael Rosenberg in June 1953.

Fifty years ago Thursday, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in the electric chair at Sing Sing. Their execution, originally set for 11 p.m. on Friday, June 19, 1953, was rescheduled for 8 p.m. to avoid conflict with the Jewish sabbath.

"They were to be killed more quickly than planned," the playwright Arthur Miller wrote, "to avoid any shadow of bad taste."

A shadow lingers.

"I grew up believing Ethel and Julius were completely innocent," Robert Meeropol, who was 6 years old in 1953, says of the Rosenbergs, his parents. "By the time I completed law school in 1985, however, I realized that the evidence we had amassed did not actually prove my parents' innocence but rather only demonstrated that they had been framed."

After digesting newly released American decryptions of Soviet cables a decade later, Mr. Meeropol came to a revised conclusion. "While the transcriptions seemed inconclusive, they forced me to accept the possibility that my father had participated in an illegal and covert effort to help the Soviet Union defeat the Nazis," he writes in his new memoir, "An Execution in the Family: One Son's Journey" (St. Martin's Press).

Of course, the Rosenbergs weren't executed for helping the Soviets defeat the Nazis, but as atom spies for helping Stalin end America's brief nuclear monopoly. They weren't charged with treason (the Russians were technically an ally in the mid-1940's) or even with actual spying. Rather, they were accused of conspiracy to commit espionage — including enlisting Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, through his wife, Ruth, to steal atomic secrets from the Los Alamos weapons laboratory where he was stationed as an Army machinist during World War II. Mr. Greenglass's chief contribution was to corroborate what the Soviets had already gleaned from other spies, which by 1949 enabled them to replicate the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. (He confessed, testified against his sister and brother-in-law and was imprisoned for 10 years; Ruth testified, too, and was spared prosecution.)

As leverage against Julius, Ethel was also indicted on what, in retrospect, appears to have been flimsy evidence. The government didn't have to prove that anything of value was delivered to the Soviets, only that the participants acted to advance their goal.

"When you're dealing with a conspiracy, you don't have to be the kingpin, you have to participate," says James Kilsheimer, who helped prosecute the Rosenbergs. "You can't be partially guilty any more than you can be partially pregnant."

But to justify the death penalty, which was invoked to press the Rosenbergs to confess and implicate others, the government left the impression that the couple had handed America's mightiest weapon to the Soviets and precipitated the Korean War.

Records of the grand jury that voted the indictment remain sealed. But we now know the Soviet cables decoded before the trial provided no hard evidence of Ethel's complicity. And Mr. Greenglass has recently admitted that he lied about the most incriminating evidence against his sister. The government's strategy backfired. Ethel wouldn't budge. The Rosenbergs refused to confess and were convicted.

"She called our bluff," William P. Rogers, the deputy attorney general at the time, said shortly before he died in 2001.

"They had the key to the death chamber in their hands," Mr. Kilsheimer says. "They never used it."

Whatever military and technical secrets Julius delivered to the Russians — and it now seems all but certain that, as a committed Communist, he did provide information — the Rosenbergs proved more valuable as martyrs than as spies.

"The Soviets did win the propaganda war," said Robert J. Lamphere, an agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The war isn't over. David Greenglass is 81; Ruth Greenglass is 79. They live under a pseudonym because their surname has become synonymous with betrayal of kin and country. "Perhaps," Mr. Meeropol says, "this is David and Ruth's final punishment."

On Thursday, Mr. Meeropol, who is 56, and his brother Michael, who is 60, (they took their adoptive parents' name) will attend a program at City Center in Manhattan to "commemorate the Rosenbergs' resistance" and benefit the Rosenberg Fund for Children, which Robert runs.

Michael Meeropol is chairman of the economics department at Western New England College. Would any evidence ever convince him that his father was a spy? "If Soviet documents were verified as historically accurate, I'd certainly believe that," he replied.

Then what? How would he explain his father's behavior? "I would have to do some thinking about my parents being involved in dangerous things, but I can't judge people from the 1940's," he said. "He's not in the Army. He has bad eyesight. He can't make the contribution that others were making. I could argue that this was a way of doing it."

To this day, plenty of people would argue that he's wrong.

Sam Roberts, the deputy editor of the Week in Review, is the author of "The Brother: The Untold Story of the Rosenberg Case."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar; leftyapologists; nytimes; rosenbergs; spying
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Yep, really, really " strange " family. The Feiffer connection, which I never knew before, is shocking, amazing, and even stranger than just the first combo. ;^)

The toe thing IS utterly repugnent ! BTW, so is the decor of his house in Conn. ! YUCK

121 posted on 06/16/2003 1:10:49 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Thank you for admitting it. I would NEVER have torn into you, if I had known that it was someone else's words. I would have torn into Feiffer. :-)
122 posted on 06/16/2003 1:12:17 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Did he and his wife divorce? I remember reading the tabloids then with pix of his own...*monica*, and actually Monica L was much more attractive.

Of course Bill didn't have to pay for Monica and Dick did....wait, I take that back.

Bill is paying for it by being known as President Sleaze.

123 posted on 06/16/2003 1:16:12 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: backhoe
Returning to the subject of the Rosenbergs, several years ago on either the History or Discovery channels there was a documentary ( BBC ? ) where the Rosenbergs Soviet handler was interviewed. He affirmed both Julius and Ethel were part of his organization but that Julius was the more active participant. Ethel was more or less his assistant and auxilary.

He maintained that their imvolvement in atomic espionage was peripheral and of little real importance as the Los Alamos facility was already thoroughly compromised. The most important coup Julius delivered to the USSR was the design of a radar proximity fuse for anti aircraft shells.

A little nugget in that interview I never saw referened elsewhere was that their main agent in Los Alamos was never caught. He refused to name the agent. I inferred he meant Oppenheimer but who really can say yet.
124 posted on 06/16/2003 1:16:14 AM PDT by tlb
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
No, Dick & his wife are still very much married ( she " forgave " him ) and live rather close to where I do, in Conn.( gag ! ) and he/they have a pied-a-terre in Manhattan.


125 posted on 06/16/2003 1:21:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: tlb
I saw that show too. The Oppenheimer rumors have been around for yonks and no one has yet proved anything, one way or the other .
126 posted on 06/16/2003 1:23:24 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; tlb
I just googled this link: http://tms.physics.lsa.umich.edu/214/other/news/090802Brotherhood.html

Book Contends Chief of A-Bomb Team Was Once a Communist

September 8, 2002
By WILLIAM J. BROAD 
 

Adding a startling chapter to the long historical debate
over the secret laboratory that developed the atom bomb in
World War II, a new book concludes that its leader, Dr. J.
Robert Oppenheimer, belonged to the American Communist
Party in the late 1930's and early 40's. 

Contrary to his repeated denials, Oppenheimer belonged to a
cell of the party that discouraged members from disclosing
their membership, says the book, "Brotherhood of the Bomb:
The Tangled Lives and Loyalties of Robert Oppenheimer,
Ernest Lawrence, and Edward Teller," by Gregg Herken, a
senior historian at the Smithsonian Institution. It is
being published today by Henry Holt. 

The book rests its case on a cache of newly discovered
letters, Oppenheimer's reaction to work on an accusatory
memoir and the discovery of Communist literature the author
links to Oppenheimer. Most of the letters are from Haakon
Chevalier, a colleague of Oppenheimer at the University of
California at Berkeley. 

While Dr. Herken says he doubts that Oppenheimer ever spied
for the Soviet Union, as some scholars have asserted, it
seems likely that he would have been barred from the
leadership post if his Communist past had been known. 

Oppenheimer, who died in 1967 at 62, acknowledged that he
had joined many Communist front organizations in the 1930's
and that his wife, his former fiancée, his brother and his
sister-in-law were all party members. But he denied ever
joining the party itself. 

The issue arose most famously in 1954 at federal hearings
over whether his security clearance should be revoked.
Though no evidence of his membership was presented, he lost
his clearance and influence in the nation's atomic affairs.


The new book asserts that Oppenheimer was a member not only
of the party but of a secret cell at the University of
California that helped set policy and write party
literature. Dr. Herken said in an interview last week that
he had obtained more confirming evidence since completing
the book. 

About the accusations that Oppenheimer spied for the
Soviets, Dr. Herken said: "I don't think he was a spy. The
significance of his being a Communist was that it gave him
something he had to hide, and may be one explanation of why
he was so quiet after 1954" - when the security clearance
was revoked. 

Dr. Priscilla McMillan, an atom historian at Harvard who is
familiar with the new book, said Oppenheimer might have
seen the unit as a legal and psychological shield that let
him claim with some legitimacy that he was no card-carrying
member. "The party in those days," Dr. McMillan said,
"wanted so much to have some kind of connection to a person
of his prominence that they would let you write your own
ticket." 

Dr. Herken details the evidence of Oppenheimer's membership
in the book and in documents on his Web site
(www.brotherhoodofthebomb .com). The main accuser is
Chevalier, who gained notoriety as an intermediary in the
Soviet atom espionage rings of the 1940's. 

Chevalier taught French literature at the University of
California at Berkeley, where Oppenheimer taught physics
before the government made him director of the envisioned
atomic laboratory, which was built in the mountains of New
Mexico in 1943 and named Los Alamos. 

The book says the two men met in 1937 and became close
friends, founding a campus branch of a teacher's union and
sponsoring benefits for leftist causes. 

They also joined a secret unit of the American Communist
Party made up primarily of Berkeley professors, Chevalier
said in letters from the 1960's that Dr. Herken has
uncovered. Chevalier wrote from France, where he went in
1950 after being accused of anti-American activities. 

In one letter, dated July 1964, Chevalier informs
Oppenheimer that he is planning to write a memoir referring
to the Communist Party cell. He praised the unit's
publications as still making "impressive reading" and to
credit Oppenheimer with their authorship. 

He concluded by promising to "do my best" to respect
Oppenheimer's wishes if he objected to the goal. 

"Indeed I do," the physicist replied in a curt letter from
Princeton, where he was director of the Institute for
Advanced Study. "What you say of me is not true. I have
never been a member of the Communist Party, and thus have
never been a member of a Communist Party unit." 

Weeks later, Chevalier wrote to another member of the cell
that he "had originally planned to reveal" that Oppenheimer
was a Communist, but added, "I decided that I shouldn't,
even though the fact is of considerable historical
importance." 

Apparently unaware of Chevalier's decision, Oppenheimer in
March 1965 discussed with his lawyer the possibility of
enjoining publication of the memoir, according to a record
of the discussion Dr. Herken found in Oppenheimer's papers.


Chevalier's memoir, "Oppenheimer: The Story of a
Friendship," published in 1965, referred to the unit
briefly and elliptically as a political "discussion group"
but said nothing about its Communist Party ties. 

Oppenheimer died two years later. Chevalier died in Paris
in 1985 at the age of 83, having never written publicly
about the secret unit. But Dr. Herken, who visited his
daughter in France, found that Chevalier had written an
unpublished memoir in which he detailed the story. Dr.
Herken tracked down two of the "Reports to Our Colleagues"
that Chevalier said the secret unit had published. They
were dated Feb. 20 and April 6, 1940, and signed "College
Faculties Committee, Communist Party of California," giving
no listing of the individual authors. 

"We know that it would be an evil thing," the first said,
"for this country to go to war, or to join a war, against
Russia." 

The second bore a quotation on its cover page from W. H.
Auden, one of Oppenheimer's favorite poets: "Hunger allows
no choice/ To the citizen or the police:/ We must love one
another or die. . . . " 

Since completing the book, Dr. Herken has continued to
track down corroborating evidence. 

He said a widow of one of the unit's members confirmed in
an unpublished memoir that Oppenheimer belonged to the
secret group. 

Dr. Herken said he had also found an elderly person who had
helped organize the secret units of the Communist Party in
California. 

Dr. Herken concluded from his research that Oppenheimer was
a loyal American. But it is clear, he added, that the
physicist never would have won the atom job if his
Communist Party membership had been disclosed publicly. 

"That," Dr. Herken said, "would have been a
showstopper."

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company

127 posted on 06/16/2003 1:30:19 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: nopardons
I've heard it said that Morris was raised under the same roof with Cohn. Maybe that's where he learned about toe-sucking.
128 posted on 06/16/2003 1:36:58 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I've seen that before, as well as the thing printed in'65. It may be true, and then again, it may just be more propaganda.

I knew, as a small child, Leo Szilard ( I played with his nephews ) and my grandmother was friends with the boy's mother and Leo. I've read his bio " GENIUS IN THE SHADOWS " and there isn't a hint, not a whiff, in that book, that corroborates the article you found.

129 posted on 06/16/2003 1:37:50 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Bonaparte
He was ? Where did you hear that ? It isn't in any book, about either of them, that I've ever read. If true, that's an interesting twist.
130 posted on 06/16/2003 1:39:38 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; tlb
http://www.brotherhoodofthebomb.com/bhbsource/authorsnotes.html

The claim that Robert Oppenheimer was both a Communist and a spy has been made, most recently, in a book by journalists Jerrold and Leona Schecter. In an appendix to Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History, the Schecters reproduce an October 1944 NKVD document which appears to show that Oppenheimer was a valuable source for the Soviets as early as 1942, and that "he provided cooperation in access to the research for several of our tested sources including a relative of [American Communist Party chief] Comrade Browder."

This is, in fact, the second document to mention Oppenheimer that has emerged from purported KGB archives. Both of these documents, and an analysis, may be viewed by clicking on the "Documents" feature from the menu above. See Document Set #2: "Was Robert Oppenheimer a spy?" -Gregg Herken
131 posted on 06/16/2003 1:48:55 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: nopardons
If I find the source, I'll let you know. IIRC, Morris' father took off and Dick was raised by his uncle, Roy's father.
132 posted on 06/16/2003 1:49:46 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: nopardons; tlb
From the executive sessions of the McCarthy hearings which were unsealed earlier this month:
The Chairman. Mr. Crouch, there is something we have often wondered about, and maybe you can enlighten us. In the trial of this Scientist X, as I recall, you had considerable information and evidence on him. Why weren't you called by the Justice Department in that case, if you know?

Mr. Crouch. I was called as an expert witness in rebuttal, but was not permitted to describe my knowledge of him as a member of the party, or to describe the closed meetings of the Communist party I had attended. And my wife [Sylvia Crouch], who was under subpoena in the trial, was not called at all, and I was advised informally to the effect that it was impossible for us to give our testimony without bringing in the name of an internationally famous scientist who was also a member of the Communist party, who had been present at the meetings with Scientist X.

The Chairman. Who in the Justice Department told you you could not be used to testify about your knowledge of Scientist X, his Communist activities?

Mr. Crouch. Mr. Cunningham, of the Justice Department, and Mr. Hitz, assistant United States attorney, advised me that I would not be questioned because our testimony would bring in his name.

The Chairman. Bring in the name of Robert Oppenheimer?

Mr. Crouch. Yes, sir. Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.

The Chairman. Both you and your wife, I understand, then, were available; the Justice Department knew you had attended Communist party meetings with Scientist X, and one of the issues was whether or not he was a Communist?

Mr. Crouch. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. And the jury found him not to be a Communist, ultimately?

Mr. Crouch. They found him not guilty due to lack of sufficient identifying witnesses who had been in closed meetings with him, that is, witnesses who could testify to that effect.

The Chairman. Just for the record, was he being tried for perjury?

Mr. Crouch. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. And one of the counts was that he committed perjury when he said he was not a Communist?

Mr. Crouch. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. And because of lack of evidence, he was acquitted?

Mr. Crouch. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. And both you and your wife, when members of the Communist party, had attended these closed Communist party meetings with him, and you were informed by two Justice Department lawyers that you would not be used because if you were used and you were examined as to who else was there, you would have had to identify Robert J. Oppenheimer; is that it?

Mr. Crouch. To that effect, yes, sir.

The Chairman. Did they say who had given them those instructions?

Mr. Crouch. No, sir, they did not, they did not indicate it in any way.

The Chairman. When was this trial held?

Mr. Crouch. Last year.

The Chairman. What was the date of that trial, Roy?

Mr. Cohn. I don't know the exact date.

The Chairman. And Scientist X, who has been identified, as Scientist X, what is his name again?

Mr. Crouch. Dr. Joseph Weinberg.

The Chairman. Is there any doubt in your mind that Oppenheimer was a member of the Communist party?

Mr. Crouch. No, sir, none whatever. I met him in a closed meeting of the Communist party in a house which was subsequently found to have been his residence at the time, although I did not know it then, and following that I met him at quite a number of Communist party affairs in Alameda County.

The Chairman. I noticed with some interest Oppenheimer's articles in regard to the H-bomb, for example; he vigorously opposed our proceeding with any experimentation in the development of the H-bomb. When he lost out in that, he now has taken the position that we should not have an air force capable of delivering that bomb. Maybe I am simplifying it a bit, but in fact that is his argument. His argument has been that we should build a screen of defense around this nation. From your knowledge of the working of the Communist party, do you know whether or not that was the policy of the Communist party at that time?

Mr. Crouch. His position, in substance, his efforts have corresponded with the efforts of the Communist press throughout this period. The Communist press has sought to prevent the development of the H-bomb. They have sought to obtain a U.S. pledge not to use the atomic bomb, first in time of war, and their policy has coincided with the public statements of Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer and the authoritative press accounts of J. Robert Oppenheimer's position as appeared recently in Fortune magazine, Life, and others . . .


133 posted on 06/16/2003 1:52:41 AM PDT by DPB101 ("Smearing good people like Alger Hiss and Lauchlin Currie is . . .unforgivable"---Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Hmmmmmmmmmm ... interesting.
134 posted on 06/16/2003 1:56:58 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Bonaparte
Please do ; I'd really appreciate it. But, Roy was very much older than Dick and lived on his own. So,if Dick was raised by Rpy's father, that doesn't mean that he was influenced all that much by Roy. I wonder where Jules fits in. LOL
135 posted on 06/16/2003 1:58:33 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DPB101; nopardons; tlb
Bombshell : The Secret Story of America's Unknown Atomic Spy Conspiracy by Joseph Albright, Marcia Kunstel http://bombshell-1.com/forum_archive/0000003f.htm

In 1991 Vladimir Chikov first told the story of an American atomic physicist recruited by Soviet agent Morris Cohen before Cohen went in the US Army in July 1942. He gave the physicist the fictitious name "Arthur Fielding". After describing the initial contacts between Cohen and Fielding, Chikov said that Fielding was assigned the NKVD code name Perseus. Most writers on this subject agree that Perseus was not really Fielding's, or any other Soviet spy's, real code name. Most writers further agree that Chikov's Perseus legend is actually a composite of two or more soviet atomic spies, one of whom undoubtedly was Theodore Hall, code-named Mlad.

However, controversy and questions about the Perseus story continue: Informed people understand that Hall could not have been Fielding; the Venona codenames Fogel and Kvant remain unidentified; the source of Kurchatov's knowledge in March 1943 of Fermi's "uranium pile" is not known; etc. The authors of Bombshell vis-à-vis their chapter on the Perseus Myth are in the camp that discounts the Fielding part of the Perseus mosaic. But there are other interested people who are not yet ready to dismiss the existence of Fielding. Bombshell does not completely agree with other credible writings on early Soviet atomic espionage, and there is a physicist who's career, actions and words are very consistent with Chikov's Fielding legend. The physicist is J. Robert Oppenheimer.

Some readers may not know that Robert Oppenheimer was once accused of being a Soviet spy. In 1953 William L. Borden, a former Executive Director of the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, wrote a detailed and incriminating letter to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover alleging that "more probably than not J. Robert Oppenheimer is an agent of the Soviet Union". This letter caused the 1954 AEC hearing that removed Oppenheimer's security clearance. Our theory of Fielding could be viewed as a fresh examination of that controversy in light of new information. The very idea that the Director of Los Alamos was in some way a Soviet spy will elicit a knee jerk reaction of derision and disbelief in some readers. That will be unfortunate because it will serve to fulfill Oppenheimer's traditional drinking toast to his communist friends, "To the confusion of our enemies!" (The Story of a Friendship, Haakon Chevalier, page 22). More objective readers will bear in mind that in the spring of 1942 Oppenheimer wasn't 'Oppenheimer'. He had only recently become a "player" in the US atomic effort, someone whom the Soviets would have regarded as commensurate with their new, contemporaneous source in England, Klaus Fuchs.

This post does not constitute a proof against Oppenheimer. We understand that, and want readers to understand that. It should be viewed as an unfinished theory that tries to accommodate what Chikov and others have written as well as other unexplained facts or phenomena. In the scientific world if a theory fits the phenomena it is used and studied further. When it ceases to explain phenomena it is discarded. Our theory of Fielding is posted on that basis. Perhaps via Bombshell the theory will elicit what others presently know or what they can contribute through additional research.

136 posted on 06/16/2003 2:00:58 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: nopardons
Yes...I really am shocked at what I am finding here. I honestly had no idea and I'm getting an education while posting this!
137 posted on 06/16/2003 2:02:11 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: nopardons
Ah, it wasn't Dick who was raised by Cohn's father. It was Gene, Dick's father. Roy would have already been out of law school and fairly busy elsewhere by the time Dick was born. So that puts us back to square one on the toe-sucking.
138 posted on 06/16/2003 2:07:04 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: DPB101
This is interesting and no wonder Leo was angry that he had not been given the recognition ( actually, Szilard had discocered what made the A-bomb work years before the Manhattan Project and his work was used and NEVER sourced )and pride of place that rightly belonged to him.

According to what I have read, Teller was an obsessive anti-Communist and also saw Oppenheimer as an opponent of his H-bomb. Evidently he told the FBI that Oppenheimer had Communist sympathies. I had forgotten that, but it's on page 349 of " THE GENIUS IN THE SHADOWS ", which I pulled off the shelf to see if I could find anything more about this. Obviosuly, my memory failed ( it been more than a decade since I read the book )earlier.

139 posted on 06/16/2003 2:07:42 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; All
Ok...going to bed now.....exhaustion has set in. Still shocked though. I read something else too while researching this stuff about Einstein being anti-American...

Anyways...will see you all tomorrow.

Still in shock about Oppenheim. very possibly being a major Soviet spy! Head is reeling from that one.
140 posted on 06/16/2003 2:07:49 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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