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High-school exit exam in California postponed
Seattle Times ^ | June 14, 2003

Posted on 06/14/2003 12:29:09 AM PDT by sarcasm

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To: sarcasm
Ouch!
41 posted on 06/14/2003 9:05:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: leadpencil1
Ouch ouch!
42 posted on 06/14/2003 9:05:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: grania
It's getting so the answer for many students is GEDs.

I'd say let them get GED's but make a high school diploma have some kind of meaning again. We were told that we cannot put in job requirements that a high school diploma was required because for one it discriminates against minorities who don't graduate and for another because a high school diploma doesn't mean the applicant can read or write anyhow. Now college degrees are beginning to go the same way ---the "university" here has 60% of it's students in remedial courses and if they stay long enough, they'll be handed a degree of some kind.

43 posted on 06/14/2003 9:14:39 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: grania
What a sad sad commentary.
44 posted on 06/14/2003 9:47:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: freeangel
I agree. Thanks.
45 posted on 06/14/2003 9:59:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: sarcasm
What do parents of lower-income / minority students really want????? Gosh darn it! Do you want your kids to have a useless "Diploma" or do you want them to stay in school until they actually have learned a few basics??

Goodness gracious (trying not to swear here!), they only have to pass 60% of the math, which is really basic, to pass! And they are thinking of lowering that to 40%!

These articles always claim "civil rights leaders" are upset at the tests. How I would LOVE to ask what these CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS want, bottom line. It sounds to me like they do not want CIVIL RIGHTS. They want a class of people to be coddled for life without effort. But why? That doesn't make them look good; it makes them look STUPID. What is the goal there? Do these LEADERS really think that you can build your biceps by lying on the couch? How can you prepare a generation by first telling them they are not good enough to pass tests for other people and then set them up for failure and ask to have the bar lowered for them? How DARN PATRONIZING.

Public education is a TOTAL JOKE. The only people who succeed with it succeed DESPITE all the attention on politics and legality and the obscene amounts of money going to the bureaucratics of it all.

The state ought to throw up her hands and say, "OK, fine, we tried to make education serious enough to make sure that anyone who graduated from the 12th grade in CA had at least a 9th grade education [because that is the level of the test], but you weren't happy with that, were you?" And pull out all funding for public education COMPLETELY.

There would be millions of small (and large) private schools cropping up everywhere, all different kinds, some very cheap and some expensive -- the need and the market would dictate.

You would need only one law to go with the dissolution of public schools: NO MINOR ALLOWED UNACCOMPANIED BY A GURADIAN OUTSIDE THE HOME DURING SCHOOL HOURS.

We would not be worse off and look at the whopping surplus we would have. Let's spend it on infrastructure, police, fire, the truly disabled, the veterans, etc. and let parents be in charge of their own kids!

Stepping off soapbox now.

46 posted on 06/14/2003 10:04:14 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: sarcasm
By pushing back the requirement for passing the exam at least two years to the Class of 2006, board members said they would give students more opportunity to master the necessary English and math skills.

Didn't they have 12 years?

47 posted on 06/14/2003 10:16:40 AM PDT by agrace
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To: DumpsterDiver; All
"No wonder kids can't pass a tenth grade test: their teachers flunked the ninth grade test."

There is only one true viable option.

SHRUG!

Take your kids out of that mess and either home school them or enroll them in private schools.

I know a very smart and very good teacher who summed it all up for me when I was seeking his advice about educationg my daughter.

He said: "The education of an American child is much to important a task to be left to the state. Keep your child close and monitor everything that is taught to her. Instill in her common sense, morals, and respect of others as well as the love of reading and learning and it will all come out just fine."

Thank you Mr. Downard!

48 posted on 06/14/2003 10:16:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: DoughtyOne
Paying for the fully 1/3rd of the school kids in the LAUSD area who are illegal aliens doesn't help either.

These illegal alien children should be rounded up and deported ASAP!

49 posted on 06/14/2003 10:18:33 AM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Take your kids out of that mess and either home school them or enroll them in private schools.

I agree with you. The schools here in California just keep getting worse as the years go by.

50 posted on 06/14/2003 10:29:04 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: judgeandjury
Any child whose parents cannot provide a birth certificate confirming they are a US citizen should have their parent's prove their own status. If they are not legal citizens and are here under legal circumstances, then they should be deported to any nation that is willing to give them free medical care for life, free schooling for twelve years, and whatever else these folks can con them out of.
51 posted on 06/14/2003 10:33:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: grania
In Massachusetts, it has become a very hard, culturally biased test (Honest, one of this year's questions was about purchasing $10,000 of valuable artworks and compounding their appreciation), that is really about very specific skills to teach to.

What does it matter that the question was about compounding the appreciation on $10,000 worth of valuable artworks? It still boils down to a basic math problem. So what if the family of the kid taking the test has never owned $10,000 worth of valuable artworks? The kid should still be able to figure out the answer to this math problem if he has learned basic math.

52 posted on 06/14/2003 10:35:07 AM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: judgeandjury
What does it matter that the question was about compounding the appreciation on $10,000 worth of valuable artworks? It still boils down to a basic math problem.

A compounding problem or one with a constant rate of decrease has become a pretty good bet for a skill to teach to. I believe it's considered an "average difficulty" level on the SATs. I'd rather see a problem with a little surprise to it, with some variation, like I said earlier, maybe some fluctuation.

I suspect it's a poison pill. The liberal lunatics will look at a problem about expensive artwork, use it as an excuse to scream foul, and the test will all of a sudden be about Igor and Hans at a Cinquo de Mayo Festival. And, I don't think problems should be outside the experience of a majority of those taking it.

53 posted on 06/14/2003 3:49:49 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: judgeandjury
These illegal alien children should be rounded up and deported ASAP!

It's worse than just having 1/3 illegal that nobody will get rid of. Many of the kids are citizens because they were born here. To an illegal. They can't be deported of course, because they are citizens, and mom has to stay here with the kid. So they all speak spanish at home, wave Mexican flags on the 4th of July, and collect food stamps for their 8 kids they've got squeezed into that one bedroom apartment.

Maybe we should just be giving these tests in Spanish. It's going to be the official language of Upper Mexico, after all. /sarcasm

54 posted on 06/16/2003 8:32:37 AM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Snerfling
You are right about routing the kids early on. A (hispanic) principal quit his post, because the district required testing to actually get into the Honors program. He claimed the test was racist. What these clowns fail to comprehend is, by the time these kids get to high school, it is pretty much over.
At the private school my son goes to, they give the standard state test. He is in kindergarten and scored at 3rd grade level for math and 2nd grade for everything else. While I would like to think that my son is very gifted. I think the averages have been severly pulled down by dumbing the tests.
55 posted on 06/17/2003 10:20:28 AM PDT by dc27
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