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Flush Toilets Called 'Environmental Disaster'
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/12/03 | Marc Morano

Posted on 06/12/2003 2:27:25 AM PDT by kattracks

CNSNews.com) - Forget the convenience and sanitation of the flush toilet that industrialized nations have enjoyed for most of the past century.

A growing number of environmentalists are now advocating the expanded use of compost or dry toilets worldwide to combat what they see as an international water crisis.

Proponents of dry toilets, set to convene at the first annual international Dry Toilet 2003 conference in Tampere, Finland, August 20-23, warn of "environmental disaster" if developing nations aspire to flush toilets so prevalent in the industrialized world.

Critics of the upcoming conference say the widespread use of dry toilets in the developing world is nothing more than a "celebration of primitivism" and call the flush toilet the "greatest public health advance in the modern era."

A waterless dry toilet, which generally costs about $2,000, collects human urine and feces and requires emptying by humans on a regular basis. Advocates claim the resulting matter can then be composted and used as fertilizer for food crops.

Larry Warnberg, a featured speaker at the conference, said China and other developing world nations cannot aspire to mimic the U.S. and Europe's reliance on modern flush toilets and the resultant sewage infrastructure.

"That is a wrong turn, and it will just be an environmental disaster. The same is true in Brazil and Africa. There are better choices," Warnberg told CNSNews.com. Warnberg, who will speak to the conference about "Reducing Regulatory Barriers to Composting Toilets," also markets manuals on how to build a do-it-yourself dry toilet.

Warnberg calls his toilet designs S.C.A.T., for Solar Composting Advanced Toilet.

Warnberg laments the widespread use of flush toilets in the industrialized nations of the U.S. and Europe, and he does not want to see the flush toilet adopted by the developing nations in Africa and South America.

"I think it is a mistake to inflict that convenience on a developing county and cost without realizing what the consequences are," Warnberg added.

'Celebration of primitivism'

But critics bristle at the notion that the developing world cannot aspire to the standards of the industrialized world.

"The dry or compost toilet might suit those who wish to drop out of highly developed industrial society, but to advocate them as a solution for developing countries is totally unacceptable and represents little more than a celebration of primitivism," said Ceri Dingle of the British-based charitable education group Worldwrite, which focuses on development issues and sponsors international student exchange programs.

"Thirteen percent of Africans have a sewage connection; that is, a flushing toilet leading to a sewage system, while for North America, the figure is 100 percent and Europe 92 percent," said Dingle. "This is what the developing world aspires to, not make do and mend."

Dingle's group sponsored a campaign on June 7 that included a march by "volunteers from developing countries who want their desire for piped water, flushing loos (toilets) and modern facilities taken seriously."

"The preoccupation with dry toilets is also an anti-human prejudice based on complete panics and irrational fears about planetary water shortages," Dingle added.

Dennis Avery, director of global food issues for the Hudson Institute, agreed with Dingle and was blunt in his defense of the modern flush toilet.

"It's one of the greatest public health advances in the modern era. It's not only convenient, but it is also safer" Avery told CNSNews.com. Avery said the public benefits from the lower incidence of diseases like cholera and typhoid since the widespread use of modern flush toilets and sewage treatment systems.

The flush toilet is not even responsible for significant water usage, according to Avery.

"You can't solve the water problem by taking care of something that is only 5 to 10 percent of the usage," Avery explained. Agricultural use of water accounts for about 70 percent of worldwide water usage, and industry accounts for about 23 percent, according to Avery.

'A matter of education'

Dry toilet advocates claim the devices have advantages but concede there is the issue of routine emptying of excrement from the toilets.

Warnberg's website explains that the dry toilets need to be emptied at 6- to 12-month intervals, "depending on loading," and his design includes the use of earthworms to "provide mixing and aeration."

Warnberg concedes the emptying procedures may make some people squeamish. "It takes more responsibility than a flush toilet, there is no getting around it. Some systems are easier to use than others. It's largely a matter of education," Warnberg said.

But one past user of a dry toilet chronicled his negative experiences in an essay published on this website called "The Trouble With Composting Toilets." The essay, written by Dave Keenan, details his problems with insects and odors that his dry toilet produced in his home.

After having decided that "Thomas Crapper's flush toilet was a fiendish invention," Keenan bought a dry toilet and initially "basked in the warm glow of having done the right thing for the environment" before encountering a problem.

"No matter what I tried over the years, there were always times when one could not lift the lid without several flies lifting off and heading for the kitchen," Keenan wrote.

"Even if I was to be convinced that there was little health danger from flies coming out of the toilet and landing on food, e.g. drosophila (fruit flies) go straight for the fruit bowl, how would I convince my guests that it was ok?" Keenan added.

After four years of living with the dry toilet, Keenan gave up and installed a flush toilet in his home.

"So, from my experience, I cannot recommend composting toilets to anyone, unless they have a serious water shortage, and they live in a non-urban area, and they locate it outside their insect-screened house envelope (on a verandah would be fine)," he wrote.

'Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous'

Another purported benefit of dry toilets is the ability to use the composted excrement for fertilizing human food crops.

"A proper dry toilet system with the recycling of the urine and the feces as a compost product, brings more productivity to crops and improves the land quality," Tittiina Repka, conference secretary of the upcoming Dry Toilet conference, told CNSNews.com.

Repka believes cultural taboos in many parts of the world will have to be changed for people to accept using their feces and urine as fertilizer for food crops.

"People seem to think that human [manure] is something really dirty and should not go into any kind of food circulation systems," Repka said.

But not everyone sees the use of composted human feces on food as a panacea.

"It's dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. You are talking about all kinds of bacterial issues; human manure has human pathogens in it." Avery countered.

Despite claims by advocates of dry toilets that excrement is safe for use as fertilizer if it's properly composted, Avery remained skeptical.

"In labs, under ideal conditions, human manure can be safely disinfected. But manure in the hands of average people out there day after day, time after time, you are taking about enormous risk," Avery said.

"Can you imagine a block full of homes, each of them dumping their wastes in their backyard this way; the odor, the disgust, the public health risk?" Avery asked.

Dingle of Worldwrite does not see the need to even contemplate using your homegrown feces for fertilizer.

"Since chemical fertilizers have massively increased the productivity of commercialized agriculture, there is no evidence to suggest we even need to concern ourselves with preserving and using human waste since we have developed much healthier alternatives," Dingle said.

Avery predicted that dry toilets would ultimately go down the drain.

"If you didn't have to handle [composted feces], if you didn't have to put this on your food crops, if you didn't have to accept the odors and the filth and the disgust, maybe it then it would sell," Avery said.

See Related Article:
Introduction of the Flush Toilet Deplored at Earth Summit
(Aug. 20, 2002)

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To: kattracks
Environmental wackos flow down hill. Payday is Friday. I think I've got it.
41 posted on 06/12/2003 5:29:07 AM PDT by openotherend (I'm their leader! Which way did they go?)
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To: kattracks
first annual international Dry Toilet 2003 conference

I think we need a logo contest for this to help them out with their t-shirt design.

42 posted on 06/12/2003 5:29:25 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Joe Boucher
"When I move I'm going to the Home Depot and buying a couple of new toilets and taking my old trusty 5 gallon flushers with me."

Buy the power flusher toilets. They do use a lot less water, but still work because they use air pressure. My cousin has had one for years, and my aunt just bought one. They aren't much more expensive that the regular toilets either.
43 posted on 06/12/2003 5:31:22 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: kattracks
Here are the keynote speakers at the conference and the title of their addresses:

Kaarin Taipale, Finland: "What is the colour of sustainable development"

Jan-Olof Drangert, Sweden: "A history of mental views on the re-use of human-rerived nutrients" The last part of the abstract states: The last part of the paper will focus on views among residents to eating food produced with the help of human-derived fertilisers.

Ron Sawyer, Mexico: "Sanitation as if it really mattered: Getting toilets out of the (water) closet and into the loop"

Martin Oldenburg, Germany: "Toilets for the re-use of natural resources - Examples and Applications"

44 posted on 06/12/2003 5:35:37 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: kattracks
Here in vermont there are a lot of back to earth types including those with no electricity at all in their homes. Now if that is their choice that is fine I don't have a problem at all but I can see the out cry against toilets bginning.

We were house shopping a while back and found what looked like a very nice home at considerably under market value. After speaking to the home owner we learned it was because there were no conventional toilets in the home. The toilets dumped into a big vat in the basement which had to be shoveled out from time to time. Where it was to be shoveled to, I had no idea.
45 posted on 06/12/2003 5:39:40 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Freedom: America's finest export.)
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To: kattracks
This is series... I'm off to flush the toilet...
46 posted on 06/12/2003 5:41:49 AM PDT by IFly4Him
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To: kattracks
Isn't it funny how when these tree-huggers have something to SELL, all of a sudden they can find numerous 'ENVIRONMENTAL' fault with successful methods that have been used for hundreds of years?

They obviously don't remember the stench, flies, and other problems with OUTDOOR TOILETS...or having to go out and empty the "slop jar" at 8am when it's -10 degrees outside.

This guy is trying to get attention, and get the water toilet outlawed (a la Freon) so he can sell his product (a la new Freon).

This will be about as popular as "NEW Coke" was.
47 posted on 06/12/2003 5:45:42 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: kattracks
> "Thirteen percent of Africans have a sewage
> connection; that is, a flushing toilet leading to a
> sewage system, while for North America, the figure
> is 100 percent and Europe 92 percent," said Dingle.

1) Where's the missing 8% in Europe? France? Just go on the sidewalk, I guess.

2) I giggle like a schoolgirl that someone named "dingle" is talking about topics scatological.



48 posted on 06/12/2003 6:04:29 AM PDT by Mixed Grill
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To: kattracks
"...the first annual international Dry Toilet 2003 conference in Tampere, Finland..."

...........now there's a hoppin' conference that's a "don't miss"....................put on yer party hats, boys....................

49 posted on 06/12/2003 6:05:32 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: kattracks
If they outlaw toilets, only outlaws will have toilets.


If they wanna outlaw flush toilets, they're gonna have to pry mine from my cold, dead butt.
50 posted on 06/12/2003 6:10:13 AM PDT by ChicagoGuy
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To: kattracks
Flush Toilets Called 'Environmental Disaster'

What is the deal with CNS? I thought they were on our side. How come we get the standard liberal headline, where the environmentalist claim receives top billing?

Tree Huggers Advocate Disease, Foul Smells for Third World. That's much better.


51 posted on 06/12/2003 6:11:48 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: kattracks

52 posted on 06/12/2003 6:15:43 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: kattracks
they can pry my flush handle from my cold dead hands
53 posted on 06/12/2003 6:20:53 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: kattracks
The largest water uses in a home are toilet flushing and clothes washing. I can't understand why homes are not built with a 10-20 gallon water storage tank with overflow valve in the attic. The water pump in a washing machine could be used to pump water from the washer to the storage tank, where it is then piped back down to fill the flush toilets, so that the wash water is used twice. Combine this with a toilet that has a divided two-flush tank, 1.5 gallons for #1 and 3-4 gallons for #2.
54 posted on 06/12/2003 6:27:41 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: kattracks
Yep, bring back the two- and three-holers and the slop jars under every bed (for those cold winter nights).

And the typhoid and cholera and other diseases attendant thereon.

Or just go out in the cornfield. Now that's DRY.


55 posted on 06/12/2003 6:38:22 AM PDT by Ole Okie (Real bright on the part of the environmentalists.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
If you want a good toilet that meets current standards, try Toto. They go for about $400, but they work great.
56 posted on 06/12/2003 6:43:33 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
This is called a greywater system. It doesn't work very well unless the greywater is disinfected (the germies clog up the tanks and valves but good).
57 posted on 06/12/2003 6:46:56 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: FourPeas
re-use of natural resources

What? Water may be the most reusable resource we have.

58 posted on 06/12/2003 6:55:10 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
Proponents of dry toilets, set to convene at the first annual international Dry Toilet 2003 conference in Tampere, Finland, August 20-23, warn of "environmental disaster" if developing nations aspire to flush toilets so prevalent in the industrialized world.

Oh man..more stuff that makes me embarassed to be a Finn.

59 posted on 06/12/2003 6:57:04 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: kattracks
Sounds like they mean composting toilets, which would be great for cabins or boats. But in a home? When you can have high volume use? Not to mention incidents of diarrhea and vomiting. These guys are nuts.
60 posted on 06/12/2003 6:59:46 AM PDT by mewzilla
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