Suicide bomber was disguised as ultra-Orthodox Jew

Jerusalem Post ^ | Jun. 11, 2003 | THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF

[yonif]

The suicide bomber who blew up a bus in central Jerusalem Wednesday was disguised as a haredi or ultra-Orthodox Jew, officials said.

[tomahawk]

Beasts.

[marron]

I guess I'm going to have to make a trip to Israel so I can better understand the problem. Why do they not seal the border? Why is anyone allowed to cross into Israel by land? Ever?

[dead]

What's the difference between an orthodox Jew and an ultra-orthadox Jew? Height?

[Krafty123]

black velvet kippah vs. leather :-)

[thoughtomator]

apparently he's more Jewish than the other guy, at least according to the obviously anti-Semetic author of the piece.

[thoughtomator]

mmm methinks if I don't add a &lt /sarcasm &gt tag to that I might be misinterpreted... Admin! I need a checkbox for 'wiseguy comment'

[Alouette]

How many hareidim are security police? Meshizahav (from ZAKA) has been trying to recruit hareidi police officers.

DONATE TO ZAKA

[yonif]

Why is anyone allowed to cross into Israel by land? Ever?

Bush told Israel to open up the crossings for more Arabs, as a "confidence building measure"

[TexasRepublic]

why doesn't the IDF just bomb the fuck out of the palestinians and be gone. Enough of this. Get rid of them once and for all.

Israel can do all this. But the US would never allow it.

Israel should just do it, without the U.S. approval. But do a majority of Israelis have the stomach to do it? I have not noticed a groundswell of rioting by angry Israeli mobs that would signal a change of heart and resolution to destroy the rats nest -- they appear as placid as ever.

[MatthewViti]

:'(

[marron]

I love Bush, I really do, but his "roadmap" is doomed to failure. The only real roadmap starts with the annihilation of Hamas. Bush understands that where the US is concerned, he had neither time nor patience with any "roadmap" that left Saddam in power, but somehow he thinks the Palestinian cause is different.

I can see the Israelis giving a little ground in the interest of educating Bush, but he must see that there will be no peace while Hamas walks the earth. The idea that the new Palestinian government will go after the terrorists themselves is a fool's dream. An independent Palestinian government has no chance in opposition to the terrorists, while they live; they must either collaborate with the terrs, or be marginalized and ignored by them, even destroyed by them. If Bush wants an independent PA government, he must recognize that Hamas is the declared enemy of it, and will not allow it to function at all, ever.

Step one to settling the West Bank and Gaza issue is to destroy Hamas.

[Shermy]

I guess I'm going to have to make a trip to Israel so I can better understand the problem. Why do they not seal the border? Why is anyone allowed to cross into Israel by land? Ever?

Probably a cheap labor addiction, just like the USA. Gotta keep those wages down...at what cost?

[Robe]

The "ROAD MAP" needs to be put back in the State Departments glove box...... There's now way in He77 the GWB would allow this to go unanswered if the bombed bus was in downtown DC !!!!These vermin need to be erased form the face of the earth !!!

[Salman]

What's the difference between an orthodox Jew and an ultra-orthadox Jew? Height?

"Ultra" is not a correct term, but in general it means Charedi or "black hat Orthodox". That is, wearing a distinctive outfit and not just a yarmulke.

[dead]

Would it be correct to call people in that distinct outfit "hasidim" or is that too specific?

[kazatzkeh]

nothing, its a label assigned to them so libs can attack them as extremists. is the pope an ultra-orthodox catholic?

[Salman]

Would it be correct to call people in that distinct outfit "hasidim" or is that too specific?

Yes. Nor is it one specific outfit. "Ultra" is a disparaging term for Charedi. Not all Charedi are Hassidim, and the outfits vary between groups, especially the particular hat. Otherwise very similar, especially to those who are not used to seeing them.

There's nothing religiously "carved in stone" about these outfits, except that they are modest and customary.

There are some rules about what is permissible in general. For example, a Charedi doing farm work will have his head covered, be wearing fringes, etc, but otherwise be dressed as any other farmer, at least while at work.

For example, the Lubavicher Hasidim customarily wear black fedoras rather than the original flat Amish-like hats because the late rabbi fancied them.

Other groups wear bowlers, fur hats, etc, for similar reasons.

When some other kind of Hassid becomes a Lubavitcher (typically though marriage), he will continue to "wear his father's hat". It's not like religious conversion.