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Is this Really Rape?

Juanita Broaddrick said on worldwide TV last night that she was "raped" by now President Clinton some time in 1978. (She says she does not remember the date or even the month.)

Here are excerpts of what she said:

Juanita Broaddrick appears on MSNBC

"I first pushed him away and just told him, No, please don't do that ... I said, I'm married, and I have other things going on in my life, and this is something that I'm not interested in."

"...I tried to get away from him and I told him, No, that I didn't want this to happen, but he wouldn't listen to me."

Here is the relevant part of her statement in full:

Myers: "Did you have qualms at all about him coming to the room?"

Broaddrick: "I was a little bit uneasy. But, I felt, ah, a real friendship toward this man and I didn't really feel any, um any danger in him coming to my room. I sort of ushered us over to the coffee — I had coffee sitting on a little table over there by the window and it was a real pretty window view that looked down at the river. And he came around me and sort of put his arm over my shoulder to point to this little building and he said he was real interested if he became governor to restore that little building and then all of a sudden, he turned me around and started kissing me. And that was a real shock."

Myers: "What did you do?"

Broaddrick: "I first pushed him away and just told him 'No, please don't do that," and I forget, it's been 21 years, Lisa, and I forget exactly what he was saying. It seems like he was making statements that would relate to 'Did you not know why I was coming up here?' and I told him at the time, I said, 'I'm married, and I have other things going on in my life, and this is something that I'm not interested in.'"

Myers: "Had you, that morning, or any other time, given him any reason to believe you might be receptive?"

Broaddrick: "No. None. None whatsoever."

Myers: "Then what happens?"

Broaddrick: "Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip (she cries). Just a minute... He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. (crying) And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen (crying) but he wouldn't listen to me."

Myers: "Did you resist, did you tell him to stop?"

Broaddrick: "Yes, I told him 'Please don't.' He was such a different person at that moment, he was just a vicious awful person."

Myers: "You said there was a point at which you stopped resisting?"

Broaddrick: "Yeah."

Myers: "Why?"

Broaddrick: "It was a real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.' And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip."

Broaddrick also says the waist of her skirt and her pantyhose were torn.

Juanita Broaddrick: "When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says 'You better get some ice on that.' And he turned and went out the door."

Myers: "On your lip?"

Broaddrick: "Yeah."

Broaddrick estimates Clinton was in her room less than 30 minutes.

Myers: "Is there any way at all that Bill Clinton could have thought that this was consensual?"

Broaddrick: "No. Not with what I told him, and with how I tried to push him away. It was not consensual."

Myers: "You're saying that Bill Clinton sexually assaulted you, that he raped you."

Broaddrick: "Yes."

Myers: "And there is no doubt in your mind that that's what happened?"

Broaddrick: "No doubt whatsoever."

There are vast differences of opinion on what constitutes rape. Men and Women are especially polarized on this issue. Some women say that there must be virtually a written contract or agreement to have sex. Otherwise, it is rape. Few men agree with this.

This is also a political issue. At one time, a marriage contract was considered to give the man the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife any time he wanted. Nowadays, this is no longer true.

The oldest body of law still in use on this issue is the Bible. Here is What the Bible says (Deuteronomy 22:22-29):

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death--the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.

26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor,

27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Here is the Law of the State of Arkansas:

Rape as Defined in Arkansas.

§ 5-14-103. Rape.

(a) A person commits rape if he engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person:

(1) By forcible compulsion; or

(2) Not his spouse, who is a patient or resident of a hospital, nursing home, human development center, or other similar facility, and who is incapable of consent because he is mentally defective or mentally incapacitated; or

(3) Who is incapable of consent because he is physically helpless; or

(4) Who is less than fourteen (14) years of age. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this subdivision (a)(4) that the actor was not more than two (2) years older than the victim; or

(5) Not his spouse who is less than sixteen (16) years of age and who is incapable of consent because he is mentally defective or mentally incapacitated.

(b) Rape is a Class Y felony.

§ 5-14-104. Carnal abuse in the first degree.

(a) A person commits carnal abuse in the first degree if, being under the age of eighteen (18) years, he engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person not his spouse who is less than fourteen (14) years old. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this subsection that the actor was not more than two (2) years older than the victim.

(b) Carnal abuse in the first degree is a Class A felony.

§ 5-14-105. Carnal abuse in the second degree.

(a) A person commits carnal abuse in the second degree if he engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person not his spouse who is incapable of consent because he is mentally defective or mentally incapacitated.

(b) Carnal abuse in the second degree is a Class C felony.

§ 5-14-106. Carnal abuse in the third degree.

(a) A person commits carnal abuse in the third degree if, being twenty (20) years old or older, he engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person not his spouse who is less than sixteen (16) years old.

(b) Carnal abuse in the third degree is a Class D felony.

§ 5-14-107. Sexual misconduct.

(a) A person commits sexual misconduct if he engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person not his spouse who is less than sixteen (16) years old.

(b) Sexual misconduct is a Class A misdemeanor.

None of this is very helpful. "Forcible compulsion" is not defined. There are many judicial opinions on this, but there are probably as many opinions as there have ever been judges.

What is my own view? I do not really have one. If I had one, I would not say it. However, there is an old joke: "If a woman says no, she means maybe. If a woman says maybe, she says yes."

In my personal experience, if a woman says "I am married and how could I ever do such a thing?", what she often really means is: Do I object to having sexual intercourse with a married woman? Some men do object. She needs to be reassured that it is ok. Then, she discovers that she could do such a thing, and she does it!

Sometimes, the woman does not mean that at all. She really means that as a married woman she does not do that. It is all in her tone of voice.

In other words, some times when a woman says she is married, it is a come on. Other times, it is intended as a turn off.

Similarly, if a woman pushes the man away, it is a gentle nudge or a serious push? From the statement of Juanita Broaddrick, it appears that she did not push very hard, but perhaps she did. Only the two people who were present really know.

In my experience, if a woman says, "You can come to my place but don't expect anything because you can't f--- me", 100% of the time it turns out that she does f--- me.

I am hoping to run for president some day and then my political opponents can search out Miki Motegi, Hiroko Nakama, Apolonaria Honculada and Passion Julinsey and ask them what they think of me.

Sam Sloan

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UPDATE: The National Enquirer reports that Juanita Broaddrick has failed a lie detector test: Lie Detector Reveals ... Clinton Rape Charge is A LIE!

Here are links:

But the reality was far worse than the NBC interview had revealed. Here is the testimony Broaddrick told to Diana Woznicki as part of the investigation conducted during the Clinton impeachment. "When the Attorney General arrived, he was alone. Broaddrick was completely at ease because, after all, this was a business meeting. The two engaged in some general small talk, and Broaddrick ushered Clinton to the window, where the coffee service was laid out.

Suddenly, Clinton began kissing her, at first not forcefully. But then he threw her on the bed and kept kissing her. She struggled to get away, and as she did, he got on top of her and bit her lower lip as a way of controlling her. Every time she struggled, Clinton bit harder to keep control of her. She kept saying no, that she didn't want this to happen. The pain became excruciating. He forced her legs apart and raped her. At one point in the attack, Clinton assured Juanita that there was no danger of her getting pregnant. He said, "I had mumps when I was a kid; I'm sterile." Finally the ordeal appeared to be completed. Clinton rose up slightly as though he were about to with draw. Then he said, "My God, I can do it again! " And he did.

When Clinton finally completed the assault, Broaddrick was close to collapse. She was sobbing uncontrollably , afraid of what might happen next, confused, and in a panic. Clinton appeared unfazed. He coolly rose from the bed and went into the bathroom. All the time Juanita was afraid to move. He emerged after a few minutes and started to walk out. When he reached the door, he turned to his sobbing victim, still lying on the bed, smiled and said, "You better do something about that lip. Get some ice on it." Then he put on his sunglasses and left."(1)

I'm going out on a limb here (NOT), if what she says is true and I have no reason not to beleive her in light of the body of evidence regarding this a.h.'s actions with other women, then it was rape.