[TLBSHOW]

Many of you told me that I was making a huge mistake opposing this. If you think you're conservatives, you have a long way to go, because what some of you people were saying is not conservative at all. It's purely political.

Rush nails it again.. and almost as I have said here over and over, that these people are not conservatives, they are fakes.

[colorado tanker]

This is just a welfare program.

The justification is that these low income people pay sales taxes. So, give them a real break - cut sales tax rates.

[isthisnickcool]

How can is be a tax "rebate" when no taxes were paid in the first place? It's WELFARE. Socialism.

[Sparta]

BTTT

[Movemout]

Income redistrubition by fiat is not a conservative position.

[Abcdefg]

Vote buying. Might work, but it isn't conservative or principled.

[Movemout]

Rush struggled a bit with the notion that money that wasn't in the hands of the government is good money. He should remind himnself that taking from one and giving to another is classic liberalism. I don't expect that he will get it right 100% of he time but this one is important.

[NEWwoman]

One interesting admission came out in this whole debate. Politicians justify it by saying the poor and low income workers pay payroll taxes.

So the politicians are on record admitting SOCIAL SECURITY is a TAX!

Let's all have a payroll tax holiday instead. How's that for being fair.

[CyberAnt]

Can anybody tell me what happens to this "tax credit" when we go to a flat tax or a sales tax, instead of the current tax system ...??

[kesg]

As much as I generally agree with Rus, I don't get it in this particular case. What is "conservative" about opposing a measure that shifts wealth from the individuals who earned in in the first place to the government, who didn't? Morever, even if it is political, what's the alternative? Handing the Rats a political issue on a platter so that they can increase their chances of winning the next election and then raising my taxes? Doesn't sound like much of a plan to me.

[Moonman62]

Principle is out the window, and political calculation is the coin of the realm.

Duh! Rush should have seen this two plus years ago.

The problem is child tax credits even for people who pay income taxes is redistribution. I don't hear Rush saying anything about that.

[goldstategop]

Right. Using our money to neuter the Left in 2004 by buying them out. It didn't make it right when Democrats were stealing our money for political shenanigans and it doesn't make it right when President Bush is doing the same thing to ensure his re-election.

[supercat]

Another point to consider is that programs like this tend to encourage people to seek employment rather than sitting around collecting welfare for doing nothing. From there, many of these people will manage to work their way into better and better jobs to the point that they become net taxpayers.

That having been said, I think these programs are a bit overgenerous to people with large families.

[Rome2000]

These people pay Social Security and sales taxes, and the 3.5 billion dollar cost to include them is peanuts.

To say they don't pay taxes is ludicrous.

Denying them the $400 is mean spirited and stupid politics.

At least W is smart enough to not give the socialist bastard Democrats an issue to hit him over the head with.

Its easy for people who dont have to win a national election to run around talking about who is a "conservative".

W doesn't have that optio n

[Jesse]

"that these people are not conservatives, they are fakes. '

Mega-dittos!

Just how far left can Bush go before he incurs some criticism...any criticism...from elected conservatives? Seems like there are no limits whatsoever.

[dark_lord]

It is politics. The Senator who pushed this (Lincoln) pointed out that 60% of the families in her state earn less than $24K. This deal is aimed at that 60%. And before everyone gets all hard core on this, realize that in rural states (hint - Bush country) in general the wages are lower and groups like homeschoolers (hint - single income families) are in that constituency. Even Rush does not live in "fly over country". Wake up. Everyone who would benefit from this is not a welfare sucker...lots of rural single income families (ie Republicans) would benefit. As I said -- it is politics.

[gcruse]

what some of you people were saying is not
 conservative at all. It's purely political.

That's it, Rush.  People forget that being a Republican
is not necessarily subscribing to a set of beliefs, such
as free trade and small government.  Political parties
are not derived for principles.  They are bodies constructed
for the purpose of gaining office and wielding power.

Conservatism is an ideology, not a political party.  The
tenets of conservatism should be derivable from its core
beliefs.  

People who confuse ideology with politics create tiny
political tents that shut out what politics need, ie, voters.

Be thankful Republicans aren't just conservatives.

[jammer]

You're right.

[Beck_isright]

Worse. WE, the real conservative/libertarian VRWC have elected a right wing version of bubba. And what is really terrifying is that we are turning a blind eye to the "Patriot Acts" not realizing what would happen to our civil liberties if another President Clinton OR if a President Boxer were ever elected. Be scared people. Principle is for sale. Nothing has changed.

[Gary Boldwater]

I must agree. What ever happened to reducing the size of government or extending freedom or defending the Constitution?
Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave.

[The Iguana]

This is certainly an income transfer but we should recall that both Friedman and Hayek first advocated the "negative income tax."

Especially since the money is being spent by individuals, not the government.