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White House Throws Principle Out Window (Rush Limbaugh)
Rush Limbaugh ^ | June 10, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 06/10/2003 3:39:53 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

White House Throws Principle Out Window

June 10, 2003

We spent the first hour of Monday's program on the idea that we're going to extend the child tax credit to families that don't pay taxes. Many of you told me that I was making a huge mistake opposing this. If you think you're conservatives, you have a long way to go, because what some of you people were saying is not conservative at all. It's purely political.

However, I have to hand it to you people. You were right in one sense. The White House is leaning on reluctant Republican leaders in the House to act fast on making millions of low-income families (who don't pay taxes) eligible for the 400 dollar per child tax rebates already in the works for middle-income parents. Ari Fleischer said the president's advice to the House Republicans is to pass it, and to send it to him so he can sign it.

The bottom line is the White House wants this and they want it now. They want these people who don't pay taxes to be given the child care exemption of $600 up to $1,000. Principle is out the window, and political calculation is the coin of the realm. Once again illustrating that, but for this program, no one is talking about core conservative principles out there.

by Rush Limbaugh


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: outwindow; principle; whitehouse
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To: nunya bidness
Thanks!
121 posted on 06/11/2003 12:06:32 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: TLBSHOW
Good post, and this just another clear indicator that this is not a conservative administration.
122 posted on 06/11/2003 12:12:11 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: TLBSHOW
...And the gov't keeps growing, and growing, and growing, and...
123 posted on 06/11/2003 12:17:10 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Nope and far from it.
124 posted on 06/11/2003 5:40:48 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: F16Fighter
For years we lambasted and ridiculed Democrats for being mindless, unprincipled whores for whom Party power superceded what was right and just -- We now see the same here amongst so-called "conservatives."

Unfortunately, hypocracy masquerading as pragmatism infests both parties.

When does pragmatism become hypocrisy?

You have to have a certain amount of pragmatism in politics - if you don't have the numbers you won't win, if you don't win you won't get anything accomplished, and often compromise is necessary to get the numbers.

The necessity of compromise means that generally no one is totally happy, and some people are happier than others. But when does compromise become hypocrisy? Is it sometimes a fine line?

For what it's worth, I never believed George Bush was "a true conservative", and I thought long and hard about voting for one of the 3rd party candidates. The memory of 1992 persuaded me to vote for George W. Bush, even though he wasn't all I wanted in a candidate. Some would say I abandoned my principles with that vote; I'm just relieved that Al Gore isn't running the country right now. George W. Bush isn't perfect - I knew he wasn't perfect when I voted for him - but he's actually done better than I thought he would.

The other thing I've noticed since 2000 is that the country isn't necessarily "true conservative". Notice how close the election was. Notice how many people think the government ought to be providing seniors with help on prescription drugs.

A change in politics is going to require a change in hearts and minds of voters; that is the bottom line.

125 posted on 06/11/2003 5:45:30 AM PDT by Amelia (Because I'm the mom and I said so!)
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To: TLBSHOW
Rush is 100% correct on this issue.

Mega-dittos bump!

126 posted on 06/11/2003 5:51:37 AM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Sandy
Again, if you are accurately describing what is actually going on, I agree. I assume that when people use words like "tax credit" that these words have an exact meaning, i.e. they are entitled to a credit against what they paid in taxes, but nothing beyond that (which, by definition, must come out of someone else's pocket).
127 posted on 06/11/2003 9:01:22 AM PDT by kesg
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To: Maximum Leader
I agree, I don't like the idea of mailing out "refundable" tax credits to people who don't pay taxes.

Right. Just another way to redistribute the wealth.

129 posted on 06/11/2003 9:17:21 AM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: Fraulein
You bet.......
130 posted on 06/11/2003 9:56:35 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Recall Gray Davis, position his smoking chair over a trap door, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: kesg
I assume that when people use words like "tax credit" that these words have an exact meaning

Ah, there's your problem then. These aren't normal people, they're politicians. War is peace, slavery is freedom, ignorance is strength.

131 posted on 06/11/2003 11:40:50 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Amelia
"When does pragmatism become hypocrisy?"

When conservative principles are shoved down the stairs in leiu of political expediency -- something the Democrats do on an hourly basis.

"You have to have a certain amount of pragmatism in politics - if you don't have the numbers you won't win, if you don't win you won't get anything accomplished, and often compromise is necessary to get the numbers."

Yes, but usually "compromise" means a 50-50 two-way street, doesn't it? For the GOP, the definition of "compromise" means bending over without jiffy lube and thanking the Democrats for their "fair cooperation."

"The other thing I've noticed since 2000 is that the country isn't necessarily 'true conservative'. Notice how close the election was..."

IF the GOP EVER were to run on the platform of true conservatism, they'd win by 65-35 every time. They just don't seem to be able to want to shake off years of propaganda, lies, and demonization Left, while they NEVER present their case to the American people in clear and concise terms -- by sticking to their guns...

In other words, too many Republicans for the most part are cowards who are most interested in their own personal power -- NOT ideology.

132 posted on 06/11/2003 11:58:50 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Rome2000
Why refuse to give them back their money?.

FICA is for their retirement. (No doubt you and I will be paying for that, too.)

Have you ever heard the phrase, "From those according to ability, to those according to need"? That's what you're supporting, here. Face it, you're in bed with Karl Marx, philosophically speaking.

133 posted on 06/11/2003 2:21:08 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: Motherbear
Is this purely a child care credit or do all families get this credit? Nothing like sticking it to the families who do without a salary so mom can stay home....

All families get it, even those who don't make enough money to have to pay income taxes to begin with. That's why some of the people on this thread are so upset.

134 posted on 06/11/2003 2:53:06 PM PDT by Amelia (Because I'm the mom and I said so!)
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To: snopercod
FICA is for their retirement.

Most low-income workers are unlikely to ever receive anything close to the money that they put into FICA (even not counting the "employer share"). Pretty rotten investment when even First Mattress Bank offers a better rate of return.

135 posted on 06/11/2003 3:24:14 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: TLBSHOW
Why don't they just appropriate enough money to give each of these families who don't pay income tax a handgun? Then the families can use the gun to rob other people and take their money. It would be so much cheaper and this way the government wouldn't have to get involved as much. It would cut out the middle man. I mean, that is precisely what these families are doing. They are collecting money that has been confiscated by force (try not paying your taxes and see what happens if you choose not to cooperate) from law-abiding taxpayers. That they didn't have to hold the gun themselves is purely semantic.
136 posted on 06/11/2003 3:28:49 PM PDT by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: Spiff
I mean, that is precisely what these families are doing. They are collecting money that has been confiscated by force (try not paying your taxes and see what happens if you choose not to cooperate) from law-abiding taxpayers.

Out of curiosity, for different-sized families and income levels, how do the amounts of the net payouts compare with the FICA taxes paid by, or on behalf of, these people?

137 posted on 06/11/2003 3:43:02 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
Out of curiosity, for different-sized families and income levels, how do the amounts of the net payouts compare with the FICA taxes paid by, or on behalf of, these people?

Two totally different animals. An income tax refund is an income tax refund. FICA is something different. If they were refunding payroll taxes like FICA it would be a different story. Maybe someone ought to push that through Congress too. I, for one, would like to see a little less of my paycheck being forcefully confiscated by the socialist scheme to redistribute MY wealth to a bunch of leeches.

138 posted on 06/11/2003 3:45:12 PM PDT by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: Spiff
"[T]he families can use the gun to rob other people and take their money. It would be so much cheaper and this way the government wouldn't have to get involved as much. It would cut out the middle man."

Hehehe, you're right.

Stealing is stealing -- If the gub'mint needs to defend the country, enforce the law, and built roads, fine. The extra cash is YOURS and MINE -- not a politicians' buy-a-voter slush fund.

139 posted on 06/11/2003 4:14:11 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: F16Fighter
IF the GOP EVER were to run on the platform of true conservatism, they'd win by 65-35 every time.

On what do you base this? Is this your personal opinion, or do you have some sort of study to back it up?

If you're correct, the GOP would be foolish NOT to run on this platform, even if they are "most interested in their own personal power -- NOT ideology", because it would give them much more power.

140 posted on 06/11/2003 4:18:13 PM PDT by Amelia (Because I'm the mom and I said so!)
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