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Libertarians Aim to Take Over a 'Free State'
Star Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Bob von Sternberg

Posted on 06/09/2003 10:41:16 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

The libertarians are coming -- maybe to one of the Dakotas, maybe to Montana or Wyoming, maybe even to New Hampshire or Vermont. Maybe. A plan is gaining traction among libertarians nationwide to target the most "freedom living" state with a small population, and start moving there en masse. If all goes as planned, as many as 20,000 of them would be living in that state by the end of the decade, their numbers large enough to start affecting public policy and potentially taking over the state legislature. "We're serious about this," said Jason Sorens, founder of the Free State Project. "It's looking very likely we'll get a lot of people to move. Whether we have political success may be less likely." Sorens, who has a newly minted doctorate in political science from Yale, said that the number of people who have signed on nationwide is approaching 4,000. Once that number gets to 5,000, the target state will be chosen. Once the 20,000 target is reached, the moving vans are supposed to start rolling. Ben Thompson, a handyman from New Ulm, has signed on. "In most states, the constitution and its principles have been turned on their head," he said. "So you end up with a gigantic, bloated government bureaucracy that gobbles up and wastes 50 percent of the taxpayers' money. The Founding Fathers must be turning over in their graves." The only state he's keen on moving to is South Dakota "because I think the political atmosphere would give us a chance to do something. I don't know if this is going to work -- and if I was a betting man, I probably wouldn't bet on it." That's probably prudent, said Lisa Disch, a political scientist from the University of Minnesota who specializes in political third parties. "It seems pretty impractical to me," she said. "Normally you try to take over an existing party. How do you impose discipline on members if you don't know whether they agree with what the leadership wants to accomplish?" Placed in the context of the nation's third-party movements, the Free State Project "seems pretty unprecedented to me," she said. "This sounds truly odd. Almost utopian. Where would you find 20,000 people so committed to politics that they would stage such a takeover? Most people can't be bothered to go to the polls in their own neighborhood." Born in cyberspace The Free State Project is yet another movement born and nurtured almost exclusively in cyberspace. Sorens, 26, a libertarian since his days growing up in Houston, came up with the idea after the 2000 election, when Libertarian Party candidates were blown out nationwide. Careful to make clear that he was not formally affiliating with the party, he floated the idea in an online journal in the summer of 2001. His readers began signing up, and Sorens quickly put up the project's Web site, complete with a mascot: a porcupine. "I thought it was kind of cute, which symbolizes the idea of live and let live, that the government should back off. Porcupines are not aggressive, but you shouldn't mess with them." More specifically, the Free Staters want to see taxes slashed and government scaled back to the bone. Schools would be privatized. Drugs would be legalized. Gun control would be abolished. Federal aid would be spurned. "Government should not go beyond protecting people's rights," Sorens said. But Disch warned that, " 'Leave us alone' is not a viable political strategy. Libertarians want a limiting force, cutting back taxes and dismantling government. And it's simply impossible in this day and age to dismantle all networks of a state's responsibility. You're not going to get rid of the garbage collection." Although many press accounts call the Free Staters' plan a "takeover," Sorens said "that's just the easiest way to describe it. I'd prefer to call it a migration of freedom-loving people." As the number signing up has grown, his Web site has overflowed with data and analysis about the 10 states that are on the list because of their small populations; from smallest to biggest, they are Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Idaho, New Hampshire and Maine. All have fewer than 1.5 million residents, which would give the 20,000 Free Staters a potential critical mass in steering state politics. After allying with like-minded voters already living in the state, they would take aim at the state legislature. "We don't intend to go busting into a state and take over," said Tim Condon, a Tampa lawyer who is a member of the project's board of directors. "We'll probably be the sign-wavers, envelope stuffers and precinct walkers for people who are already there and feel the same way about political reforms that we do." Once the Free Staters have settled in, they probably will be most like members of a service club such as the Kiwanis, he said. Warm reception? Although the project has been embraced by the Libertarian Party in several of the target states, some residents are leery, calling the Free Staters members of the political fringe. Some of the media coverage the project has gotten has been downright derisive. "A lot of that condescension comes from people who are already alienated from our ideas," Sorens said. "I think most people in the state we pick are likely to welcome us." Added Condon: "The states under consideration are already more freedom-oriented than other states. . . . Every citizen of the free state will eventually thank heaven that their state was chosen." He's leaning toward picking New Hampshire. South Dakota Free Stater Crystal Bogue is pulling for her home state. "Nothing happens here," she said. "Nothing happens because people like to keep to themselves and take care of their own." For his part, Sorens won't say which state he favors "because I'm trying to stay neutral. There's a dichotomy in the group with a lot strongly western and a lot pro-eastern." At the rate new members are signing up, Sorens said the 5,000 threshold should be reached by October; that's when voting on which of the 10 states becomes the Free State will occur. Sorens hopes the 20,000 level is reached by 2005 but cautioned that that remains a long shot. "I'd say it's 50-50 we'll get to 20,000, but the odds seem to be constantly improving."

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1 posted on 06/09/2003 10:41:16 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr
My eyes!!!
2 posted on 06/09/2003 10:41:56 PM PDT by gcruse (Superstition is a mind in chains.)
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To: wallcrawlr
But this is the Clinton's aim.
3 posted on 06/09/2003 10:43:37 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: wallcrawlr
Make that California, please?
4 posted on 06/09/2003 10:43:51 PM PDT by Tamzee ( It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - J. Swift)
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To: wallcrawlr
How about a few paragraphs now and then.
5 posted on 06/09/2003 10:44:22 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Tamsey
Make that California, please?

A small state has just as many senators. The whole idea is to maximize the impact of a relatively small number of people. By taking over several small states, they could have a rather disproportionate impact on the US Senate and possibly the Electoral College.

6 posted on 06/09/2003 10:46:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: wallcrawlr
So Liberaltarians won't be the irrelevant 2% of the political population anymore, hehehe...???
7 posted on 06/09/2003 10:49:49 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: wallcrawlr
It won't work. As much as I sympathize with the FSP, it just won't work. Once the state is chosen and the takeover begins, the Feds will apply economic pressure to bring that state back in the fold. If that doesn't work, they'll use force to crush the FSP.
8 posted on 06/09/2003 10:50:37 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Ahhh, I see.. a Vast LP Wing Conspiracy ;-)
10 posted on 06/09/2003 10:57:26 PM PDT by Tamzee ( It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - J. Swift)
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To: wallcrawlr
Once that number gets to 5,000, the target state will be chosen.

Uh oh...drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, and homosexual marriage for everyone. Sorry but the red states are smarter than that.

12 posted on 06/09/2003 10:58:27 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: markcowboy
Couldn't you guys do the whole country a favor and straighten out Oregon?
13 posted on 06/09/2003 10:59:33 PM PDT by Tamzee ( It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - J. Swift)
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To: wallcrawlr
Libertarians aim to take over a 'Free State'
Bob von Sternberg, Star Tribune

Published June 10, 2003
LIBE10

The libertarians are coming -- maybe to one of the Dakotas, maybe to Montana or Wyoming, maybe even to New Hampshire or Vermont. Maybe.

A plan is gaining traction among libertarians nationwide to target the most "freedom living" state with a small population, and start moving there en masse.

If all goes as planned, as many as 20,000 of them would be living in that state by the end of the decade, their numbers large enough to start affecting public policy and potentially taking over the state legislature.

"We're serious about this," said Jason Sorens, founder of the Free State Project. "It's looking very likely we'll get a lot of people to move. Whether we have political success may be less likely."

Sorens, who has a newly minted doctorate in political science from Yale, said that the number of people who have signed on nationwide is approaching 4,000. Once that number gets to 5,000, the target state will be chosen. Once the 20,000 target is reached, the moving vans are supposed to start rolling.

Ben Thompson, a handyman from New Ulm, has signed on. "In most states, the constitution and its principles have been turned on their head," he said. "So you end up with a gigantic, bloated government bureaucracy that gobbles up and wastes 50 percent of the taxpayers' money. The Founding Fathers must be turning over in their graves."

The only state he's keen on moving to is South Dakota "because I think the political atmosphere would give us a chance to do something. I don't know if this is going to work -- and if I was a betting man, I probably wouldn't bet on it."

That's probably prudent, said Lisa Disch, a political scientist from the University of Minnesota who specializes in political third parties. "It seems pretty impractical to me," she said. "Normally you try to take over an existing party. How do you impose discipline on members if you don't know whether they agree with what the leadership wants to accomplish?"

Placed in the context of the nation's third-party movements, the Free State Project "seems pretty unprecedented to me," she said. "This sounds truly odd. Almost utopian. Where would you find 20,000 people so committed to politics that they would stage such a takeover? Most people can't be bothered to go to the polls in their own neighborhood."

Born in cyberspace

The Free State Project is yet another movement born and nurtured almost exclusively in cyberspace. Sorens, 26, a libertarian since his days growing up in Houston, came up with the idea after the 2000 election, when Libertarian Party candidates were blown out nationwide. Careful to make clear that he was not formally affiliating with the party, he floated the idea in an online journal in the summer of 2001.

His readers began signing up, and Sorens quickly put up the project's Web site, complete with a mascot: a porcupine. "I thought it was kind of cute, which symbolizes the idea of live and let live, that the government should back off. Porcupines are not aggressive, but you shouldn't mess with them."

More specifically, the Free Staters want to see taxes slashed and government scaled back to the bone. Schools would be privatized. Drugs would be legalized. Gun control would be abolished. Federal aid would be spurned.

"Government should not go beyond protecting people's rights," Sorens said.

But Disch warned that, " 'Leave us alone' is not a viable political strategy. Libertarians want a limiting force, cutting back taxes and dismantling government. And it's simply impossible in this day and age to dismantle all networks of a state's responsibility. You're not going to get rid of the garbage collection."

Although many press accounts call the Free Staters' plan a "takeover," Sorens said "that's just the easiest way to describe it. I'd prefer to call it a migration of freedom-loving people."

As the number signing up has grown, his Web site has overflowed with data and analysis about the 10 states that are on the list because of their small populations; from smallest to biggest, they are Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Idaho, New Hampshire and Maine.

All have fewer than 1.5 million residents, which would give the 20,000 Free Staters a potential critical mass in steering state politics. After allying with like-minded voters already living in the state, they would take aim at the state legislature.

"We don't intend to go busting into a state and take over," said Tim Condon, a Tampa lawyer who is a member of the project's board of directors. "We'll probably be the sign-wavers, envelope stuffers and precinct walkers for people who are already there and feel the same way about political reforms that we do."

Once the Free Staters have settled in, they probably will be most like members of a service club such as the Kiwanis, he said.

Warm reception?

Although the project has been embraced by the Libertarian Party in several of the target states, some residents are leery, calling the Free Staters members of the political fringe. Some of the media coverage the project has gotten has been downright derisive.

"A lot of that condescension comes from people who are already alienated from our ideas," Sorens said. "I think most people in the state we pick are likely to welcome us."

Added Condon: "The states under consideration are already more freedom-oriented than other states. . . . Every citizen of the free state will eventually thank heaven that their state was chosen."

He's leaning toward picking New Hampshire. South Dakota Free Stater Crystal Bogue is pulling for her home state. "Nothing happens here," she said. "Nothing happens because people like to keep to themselves and take care of their own."

For his part, Sorens won't say which state he favors "because I'm trying to stay neutral. There's a dichotomy in the group with a lot strongly western and a lot pro-eastern."

At the rate new members are signing up, Sorens said the 5,000 threshold should be reached by October; that's when voting on which of the 10 states becomes the Free State will occur. Sorens hopes the 20,000 level is reached by 2005 but cautioned that that remains a long shot. "I'd say it's 50-50 we'll get to 20,000, but the odds seem to be constantly improving."

Bob von Sternberg is at

>vonste@startribune.com
14 posted on 06/09/2003 11:02:08 PM PDT by pad 34 (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: wallcrawlr
If they are really serious they should pick New Hampshire because it has such a huge impact on the Presidential Primaries.

On pretty much the same note, my hubby and I for the longest time wanted to move to Vermont with the kiddies. That was until they were the first state to give civil unions to same-sex couples. We decided that was too much for the kiddies.

I hope the Libertarians succeed. Why? Because, in a few short years after their takeover they will learn that all of their socially liberal beliefs will negate their fiscal conservatism. They WILL PAY for the social ills after they take full affect. It will be a good "heads up" to any other person considering the SLIPPERY SLOPE. That or they could just go join them and leave the rest of the country alone.

On second thought do I really want them to pick New Hampshire? *~_^.
15 posted on 06/09/2003 11:02:17 PM PDT by kuma
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To: Tamsey
Ahhh, I see.. a Vast LP Wing Conspiracy ;-)

I read a similar article where Muslims were trying to organize the takeover of one of the less populous states for similar political reasons. The idea was to take over a small state elect Muslim senators and replace the state constitution with the Sharia.

16 posted on 06/09/2003 11:03:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Sparta
What is ironic is this is exactly how(though with less conspiring, I suppose) the leftists swamped the other Northeastern states, California, Florida and Washington.

They spread like a virus, and it's time we fought back. Unfortunately, you're right. No way the Feds don't do all they can to bring the serfs back under their thumb.
17 posted on 06/09/2003 11:03:15 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Paleo Conservative
I read a similar article where Muslims were trying to organize the takeover of one of the less populous states for similar political reasons. The idea was to take over a small state elect Muslim senators and replace the state constitution with the Sharia.

The Feds would crush that FASTER than the LP

18 posted on 06/09/2003 11:07:25 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Tamsey
Make that California, please?

Hear-hear. It can't get any worse...and if it did, nobody would notice.

'Course, a Libertarian takeover of California is practically giving the land back to Mexico, but who the hell cares, right?

-Jay

19 posted on 06/09/2003 11:11:01 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Liberty * Liberalism = Constant)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
Please make an effort to learn something about Libertarians before speaking about them.

Thanks.

xdem
20 posted on 06/09/2003 11:14:06 PM PDT by xdem
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