Posted on 06/09/2003 10:41:16 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
That's the reason for picking a goal state that's not primarily populated with sheeple, just good folks who need an example set for them and a little assistance in getting their own inertia rolling.
When I said the sheeple would support the government, I was talking about nationwide, not just the Free State.
They'll have the public support and the media behind them.
Don't bet the farm on that.
It's a bet I'll be willing to take. They'll use media disinformation and propaganda to build the consensus. Free Staters will probably not have a similiar media voice to counter the establishment media. Most Americans will see it as criminals breaking Federal law and who have taken over a state and are in rebellion against the Federal government.
Oh no. Don't *just* think guns, though that's a part of the package. And don't *just* think of such things within the boundaries of the one state, either. Remember what I wrote in the earlier posts about fighting a guy while he's distracted, as by having his trousers ablaze...and turn about being fair play.
Guerilla warfare. What will that accomplish? The troops overseas will have to be called home to surpress the revolt. Terrorists and other enemies of America will fill in the vacuum created by our sudden departure overseas. Here at home, the damage done, even if Free Staters win, will be catastrophic. Bridges destroyed, crops ruined, roads ruined, Interstate commerce disrupted, millions dead, among other calamities.(worse case scenario) The question that needs to be asked is it worth it?
But I don't want them to refuse lawful orders. And any chief executive who sends US troops against an entire state's groundswell political movement just for opposing his party-line dictates could expect to replace Clinton as the most recently impeached president...or JFK as the last one to have died in office.
As someone who may face this dilemma as a future Marine officer, I hope I'm never ordered to attack my fellow citizens. As for the president who order this: I doubt he'll be impeached. If he's assassinated: What's to stop an opportunistic general from marching his army on Washington?
Remember that if the president uses US military personnel in an illegal action against his political opposition, he not only invites the probability that such actions will unite ALL his opponents, but can find himself facing charges of being a terrorist, as well... and there goes any moral high ground he ever once held:
I'm sure he'll dispose of or discredit the other oppositon before he crushes the Free State. As for the moral high ground: tyrants usually don't care about that.
LMAO - great minds think alike.
1. They have to get 20,000 committed to move to one state. (hardest part)
2. Once they move, they all have to be on the same page in the new state. Will there be a John Hagelin/Pat Buchanan fight?
3. Where in the state will those 20,000 be? What kind of legislature is in the state? In Michigan, approximately 80,000 live in a state rep district, and approx 200,000 in a state senate district. If 20,000 libertarians move to Michigan, they may get one or two districts if they are CONCENTRATED there. In my district, Republicans beat the Dems with 67% and 73%. Libertarians would likely finish 2nd unless the dems team with them which will never happen. They may get a township or commissioner at most. State senate? Only if it's close to a 33/33/33 seat. Congress, Governor, or Senate? Not unless the natives join them.
4. Resistance from the natives. Carpetbaggers aren't liked, especially when they change the system. On the same note, they can't win unless they fireup non-registered voters, get them registered, and voting 3rd party. It's possible, but again not likely. College Towns are probably the best bet for help there. That's where the Greens do best.
I have to respect the Libertarians here. At least they are trying to do something besides bitch. We'll see what happens.
Ahhh! Okay. At least you are laughing and not yelling at me.
LOSERDOPIAN!!!! :)
Aren't Libertarians supposed to be for PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ?
And, ya can't have MY old stuff , artwork, money, house, nor cars. Try to take 'em and I'll kill you !
Ya know what ... you are really sounding more and more like a retread, dear. :-)
I will second that! :-)
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