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To: Thorondir
A person who committs a mortal sin is fallen from the state of grace and into the state of mortal sin and is not elligible to receive any sacrament but confession. >>>

I tend to disagree:

1532 The special grace of the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick has as its effects:
- the uniting of the sick person to the passion of Christ, for his own good and that of the whole Church;
- the strengthening, peace, and courage to endure in a Christian manner the sufferings of illness or old age;
- the forgiveness of sins, if the sick person was not able to obtain it through the sacrament of Penance;
- the restoration of health, if it is conducive to the salvation of his soul;
- the preparation for passing over to eternal life.

64 posted on 06/13/2003 10:05:06 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
Right. If they are unable to speak or otherwise unable to go to confession, then they are able to receive that sacrament. But that in no way refutes the fact that unrepentent mortal sin effectively takes a person out of communion with the Catholic church. That's why they cannot go to communion. (ex)communion means out of communion. Most people excommunicate themselves automatically. Their separation from the Church does not need an official recognition to make it real, only to bring it to their attention and to the attention of those to whom they might be an evil example.

Does the thought of calling unrepentent baby-killer apostates to task bother you so much? Is it the fact that mortal sin is real that gets you this worried? I don't get it. You claim to be Catholic and I have no imperical reason to doubt that claim, yet you seem to be so vehemently opposed to a notion of responsibility in regard to mortal sin and the harshness of some of the Church's means to calls for repentence.

Perhaps we misunderstand each other in these impersonal exchanges. I know the new catechisms are so lax that 80% of modern American "Catholics" do not believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, but you should know that support of sin IS sin, and that a person does not need a personal letter from the Pope or Bishop to separate him from the Church.

The Church needs to throw that wacky Amchurch catechism out and get back to the old Baltimore Catechism.
67 posted on 06/13/2003 10:24:21 AM PDT by Thorondir
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