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To: Coleus
Right. If they are unable to speak or otherwise unable to go to confession, then they are able to receive that sacrament. But that in no way refutes the fact that unrepentent mortal sin effectively takes a person out of communion with the Catholic church. That's why they cannot go to communion. (ex)communion means out of communion. Most people excommunicate themselves automatically. Their separation from the Church does not need an official recognition to make it real, only to bring it to their attention and to the attention of those to whom they might be an evil example.

Does the thought of calling unrepentent baby-killer apostates to task bother you so much? Is it the fact that mortal sin is real that gets you this worried? I don't get it. You claim to be Catholic and I have no imperical reason to doubt that claim, yet you seem to be so vehemently opposed to a notion of responsibility in regard to mortal sin and the harshness of some of the Church's means to calls for repentence.

Perhaps we misunderstand each other in these impersonal exchanges. I know the new catechisms are so lax that 80% of modern American "Catholics" do not believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, but you should know that support of sin IS sin, and that a person does not need a personal letter from the Pope or Bishop to separate him from the Church.

The Church needs to throw that wacky Amchurch catechism out and get back to the old Baltimore Catechism.
67 posted on 06/13/2003 10:24:21 AM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Thorondir
You claim to be Catholic>>>

I beg your pardon?

I suggest you get your facts straight and stop making accusations before you post. You originally responded to a post I made with false Catholic Teachings and then had the gall to tell me to read my catechism, you are not doing the church a service by your attacks and miss information. I have no time to waste on people making hysterical statements. You keep on making mistakes then try to do damage control. I suggest you stop posting on the FR and read your catechism and canon law for a while then come back when you know what you are talking about.

I am well aware of the excommunication proceedings and if you read my post, post 51, it did state that one who "procures" and abortion is excommunicated "latae sententiae" which is automatic without a formal proceeding with the church. I suggest if you want to be taken seriously on these threads, you should stop the knee-jerk reactions, false accusations against the people who post, and think things through before posting.
68 posted on 06/13/2003 10:39:48 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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