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Exodus 21:22 "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide."

Ps 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

Isa 46:3 "Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived."

Jer 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee."

Ecclesiastes 11:5 "As you do not know what is the way of the wind, or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child, so you do not know the works of God who makes all things."

Job 31:15, 18 "Did not He who made me in the womb make him? Did not the same One fashion us before our birth?" "Though like a Father, God, has reared me from my youth, guiding me even from my mother's womb."

We don't have to choose. We can do them all. Excommunicate Ted the Driver Kennedy, Ketchup Boy Kerry, each and every pseudo-Catholic, babykilling Massachusetts Congresscritter (let the Taxachusetts political boyos know that, in the absence of pro-life action on funding of abortions, the state legislative frauds are next, say one year from now). Meanwhile, line up every miscreant priest and bishop and cardinal and excommunicate the lot of them. Resurrect medieval ritual as possible. I think there is a good rendition of the excommunication ritual in the movie Becket with Richard Burton. Make videotapes and raise funds for a foundation to fund archdiocesan functions.

Meanwhile, VOTF and CTA and their ilk should be next in the excommunication crosshairs, starting with the anti-Catholic bigot and ex-priest James Carroll of the Boston Globe and VOTF. Regrettably, burning at the stake is no longer an available remedy, but a fiery display of the aforementioned excommunicandi would certainly be a bracing kickoff to a long overdue "reform" of AmChurch. Bob Dornan has a list of burnworthy Congresscritters posing as Catholics and, if the other bishops would like to earn a reputation for justice, they can do their part. Of course, many of those bishops would make a lovely light as well.

Also, you give the AmChurch bishops far too much credit by comparing them to the Mafia. The Mafia is both competent and just which are not qualities noted in most of our bishops in degenerate AmChurch.

Perhaps the better comparison is to Quisling of Norway whose name has become a metaphor for knuckling under and surrendering and cooperating with the enemy. Sounds a lot like Bernardin (even if he has to be exhumed to be burned; better late than never) and Mahoney, and Keeler and Law and Pilla and Pilarczyk and O'Brien, and Murphy and their ilk. Oh, there I go again, making another list! Are there enough forests to provide enough aged wood to.........?

Old Man Fire, dat Old Man Fire................

Massachusetts can be a demonstration project. If the purges reduce the Faithful to a few thousand, so be it because that is only a recognition of the pre-existing reality. Then, as a missionary territory, Massachusetts can be honestly and genuinely evangelized by the diamond hard remnant. There are plenty of Unitarian-Universalist "churches" of the swinging single and the liturgical snake dance to accommodate the surviving purgees.

A person who committs a mortal sin is fallen from the state of grace and into the state of mortal sin and is not elligible to receive any sacrament but confession. >>>

I tend to disagree:

1532 The special grace of the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick has as its effects:
- the uniting of the sick person to the passion of Christ, for his own good and that of the whole Church;
- the strengthening, peace, and courage to endure in a Christian manner the sufferings of illness or old age;
- the forgiveness of sins, if the sick person was not able to obtain it through the sacrament of Penance;
- the restoration of health, if it is conducive to the salvation of his soul;
- the preparation for passing over to eternal life.

Right. If they are unable to speak or otherwise unable to go to confession, then they are able to receive that sacrament. But that in no way refutes the fact that unrepentent mortal sin effectively takes a person out of communion with the Catholic church. That's why they cannot go to communion. (ex)communion means out of communion. Most people excommunicate themselves automatically. Their separation from the Church does not need an official recognition to make it real, only to bring it to their attention and to the attention of those to whom they might be an evil example.

Does the thought of calling unrepentent baby-killer apostates to task bother you so much? Is it the fact that mortal sin is real that gets you this worried? I don't get it. You claim to be Catholic and I have no imperical reason to doubt that claim, yet you seem to be so vehemently opposed to a notion of responsibility in regard to mortal sin and the harshness of some of the Church's means to calls for repentence.

Perhaps we misunderstand each other in these impersonal exchanges. I know the new catechisms are so lax that 80% of modern American "Catholics" do not believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, but you should know that support of sin IS sin, and that a person does not need a personal letter from the Pope or Bishop to separate him from the Church.

The Church needs to throw that wacky Amchurch catechism out and get back to the old Baltimore Catechism.

You claim to be Catholic>>>

I beg your pardon?

I suggest you get your facts straight and stop making accusations before you post. You originally responded to a post I made with false Catholic Teachings and then had the gall to tell me to read my catechism, you are not doing the church a service by your attacks and miss information. I have no time to waste on people making hysterical statements. You keep on making mistakes then try to do damage control. I suggest you stop posting on the FR and read your catechism and canon law for a while then come back when you know what you are talking about.

I am well aware of the excommunication proceedings and if you read my post, post 51, it did state that one who "procures" and abortion is excommunicated "latae sententiae" which is automatic without a formal proceeding with the church. I suggest if you want to be taken seriously on these threads, you should stop the knee-jerk reactions, false accusations against the people who post, and think things through before posting.

http://www.usccb.org/prolife/publicat/lifeinsight/janfeb2003.htm

New Doctrinal Note Speaks to Catholics' Role in Political Life

A Catholic member of Congress is asked to vote on two bills. The first, designed to elicit vital intelligence concerning future terrorist attacks, permits the torture of suspected terrorists. The second aims to speed up the pace of medical research by funding broad-scale experimentation on human embryos, created specifically for research and destroyed after use.

Homeland defense and curing disease are legitimate government goals. Yet we instinctively recoil from torturing humans, and from creating and destroying innocent human lives. We know such acts are wrong, irrespective of religious teaching, current law or public opinion. They are wrong because torture and taking innocent life are opposed to the "moral law rooted in the nature of the human person," to use the words of the Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life, issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on November 24, 2002.

Today, many deny the existence of the objective moral truth of natural law. Moral relativists believe all individuals' personal views of right and wrong have equal validity. Yet some views are more "equal" than others. As to public policy, they reject moral views informed by religious faith, and then justify this by distorting the meaning of "separation of Church and state."

Should Catholic politicians jettison their religious beliefs which conflict with the prevailing mentality — a mentality that is individualistic, disdainful of religion and often fixated on materialism? Is returning to private life their only other choice?

The Doctrinal Note reminds Catholic politicians, bishops and lay faithful of our "right and duty to recall society to a deeper understanding of human life." It's not a question of imposing one's religion on others. For democracy to succeed, it must be based on a correct understanding of the human person. Lacking this, the majority can oppress the minority, the strong exploit the weak. Fundamental rights of life, liberty, conscience and equality under the law would be lost.

The truth about the nature of God and man is the foundation for justice and peace on earth, and for hope in eternal life. God, who is Love, wills our happiness. Because he has loved, forgiven and redeemed us, we are called to love God and to love like God, defending the lives and dignity of all who bear God's image, from the moment of their conception to the moment of their natural death.

No individual or government can validly deprive human beings of the God-given rights which they possess as images and heirs of God. And because these truths flow from the nature of God and man, they form a consistent, unified whole. One cannot accept some aspects of the truth and reject others, as if they were simply planks in a political party's platform. It is morally incoherent to say you respect all God's children and advocate bombing civilians in war or torturing those suspected of crime. It is incoherent to seek better healthcare for the poor and advocate the destruction of their children by abortion.

Choosing among political parties, policies and programs that are consonant with moral truths and Church teaching is something we all must do. But we may not ignore or reject moral truths because they are unpopular or ask too much of us. So what's a Catholic to do? Whether politician or not, the answer's the same: Live a Catholic life fully and without apology.

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