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Mindless, violent hip-hop culture isn't 'keepin' it real,' it's destroying our kids
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 6/8/03 | Alvin Williams

Posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:22 AM PDT by rhema

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To: scholar; joanie-f; bert
"Also ranked among the all-time greats ( :o) ) are Tupac Shakur, Nelly, Sean Combs, MC Hammer, Public Enemy, Notorious B.I.G., LL Cool J, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Grandmaster Flash, Salt-N-Pepa, Jay-Z, the Beastie Boys, Afrika Bambaattaa, Lil' Kim and Queen Latifah."

Here we have most of the *creations* of the Liberal-Socialist left's artistic arm, in one sweet list.

"To the consternation of Run-DMC's Darryl McDaniels, Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh didn't make the list, which must tell us something about something, but it's hard to imagine what."

Ummmm...I see the "reason" for tanking CD sales; not, MPEGs or files downloaded from the Internet as some would have us believe.
That's *what* it tells me.

"Rap entered the mainstream in 1992 with the release of Dr. Dre's 'gangsta' album, 'The Chronic,' which featured such memorable rhymes as, 'Rat-a-tat and a tat like that/Never hesitate to put a nigga' on his back.' The album is littered with similar lyrics throughout...Rife with the worst of what rap would regurgitate over the next decade, 'The Chronic' was gobbled up by white kids and black kids alike, going platinum several times over on its way to becoming one of rap's all-time biggest albums."

Well?
If it were my express intent to "dumb down" an entire generation of American kids so as to leave 'em useless, hopelessly screwed up & thoroughly trashed when I'd finished??
That'd have been precisely the tack I'd have used to accomplish the task, musically; while, leaving the job of providing any & all *visual* stimuli to my Liberal-Socialist bros, in Hollyweird.
Yup, that's how I'd have done it, alright.

"The album's popularity spawned hundreds of imitators, each one trying to out-gross the other, in record sales as well as attitude and language."

Really.
Who'd a thunk it.

"Many of these imitators are now on VH1's list of rap greats."

C'mon now!
Would Viacom -- the parent company of SeeBS -- ever condone such irresponsible acts of cultural vandalism via their VH1/MTV subsidiaries??

Yea, they sure would & did.

...and Viacom's still doing it, too.

61 posted on 06/10/2003 7:17:12 AM PDT by Landru
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To: hchutch
Blaming rap music for problems in society is as dumb as blaming guns for problems in society.

It's not a matter of blaming the music. It's a matter of blaming the glorification of the negativity that is celebrated in the music. The music - rap or otherwise - is simply a symptom of the attitudes.

However, I do lay blame at the feet of the artists when they continue to say it's OK to act like total idiots by continuing to mistreat women, do drugs, and act like thugs themselves.

And it's not a matter of being a "role-model" in form; it's that when they act like that, they themselves become part of that statistical problem.

No, I'm no fan of the music in and of itself. My taste in rap certainly falls into what most call "old school." And moreover, at this point, give me a good Jimmy Smith album, or some vintage Wes Montgomery and I'm just as happy. My tastes run the gamut. But when force-fed a continual diet of negative ideas, is there any wonder when negativity is what results from the listeners?

I mean if you hear "Slap that b*tch" from six different artists, back-to-back, 24 hours a day, how long before you think it's OK to do just that?

Anything - when taken to excess - is bad for you...

62 posted on 06/10/2003 7:35:43 AM PDT by mhking
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To: biblewonk
Heavy Metal is infinitely better than rap.

Any gardener knows cow dung is better than dog sh*t.

63 posted on 06/10/2003 7:40:35 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: biblewonk
              The Top 20 Country-Western Rap Artists

20> SixPac Shakur

19> The Dixie Bizznitches

18> Hay-Z

17> ODV (Ol' Dirty Varmint)

16> Whoa Nelly!

15> Coolio-lay-dee-hooo!

14> Mixmaster Merle

13> N.R.A.

12> C. Twitty

11> Snoop Hounddy Houndd

10> DJ Jazzy Jeb and the Fresh Prince of Cheyenne

 9> The Bestiality Boys

 8> Ma-Rule

 7> Ol' Dirty Haggard

 6> 2 Live Chickens

 5> Dudicris

 4> DJ Dolly P. and Her Notoriously B.I.G. Ones

 3> Shaniqua Twizzain

 2> Ron's GMC

    and Topfive.com's Number 1 Country-Western Rap Artist...

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64 posted on 06/10/2003 7:44:42 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Movemout
Most kids will have successful and productive lives if they are given the proper data inputs in the first case. Those without appropriate cues cannot be expected to behave in an accepted manner. The popularity of misogynist, violent, and inappropriate music is not a product of the kids themselves but rather reflects the quality of their upbringing. Do you see the difference?

I'm a high school teacher who sees that difference every day, but . . . (see Matthew 15 disclaimer below; there's no evading personal responsibility for one's actions)

God doesn't build kids differently today as opposed to 50 years ago. The inherent ability to be good or bad hasn't changed. Evil, in all of its carnations, has been present since the beginning. The choice to be one thing or another is what defines humanity.

Jesus noted as much in Matthew 15: "But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person."

65 posted on 06/10/2003 7:45:39 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rdb3
I assume by that you mean that you are already helping with the problem?
66 posted on 06/10/2003 8:11:28 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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To: newgeezer
Any gardener knows cow dung is better than dog sh*t.

Sick Things

67 posted on 06/10/2003 8:26:01 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: rhema
Okay, I can see that you understand the difference. I don't know that we can make change but I hope that we can. The youth of our generation aren't all bad but we owe it to ourselves to try to make them reckon with notions such as good and evil. I have a very good friend of nearly twenty years. He has a son of almost that long. His son went out west and has sent back letters claiming that he will commit suicide. Now this comes from someone who is well grounded in Christianity and is just an all around well grounded kid. I am at a loss as to how to advise my friend is also a well grounded human being.
68 posted on 06/10/2003 8:34:11 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: rhema
I was just telling my son how much better we had it when we were teenagers, the music was all about love and having a good time (except for a few stupid tear jerker songs). The drugs were non-existent and alcohol was only a very minor problem. Life really was like "Leave it to Beaver".
69 posted on 06/10/2003 8:37:38 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Miss Marple
I have a question. Can't rappers write music that doesn't contain the vulgarity and violence?

There's plenty of that already out there. As usual, you have to get away from the radio to find most of it, but it's definitely there.

70 posted on 06/10/2003 8:55:40 AM PDT by pupdog
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To: mhking; Poohbah; Miss Marple
The question is, though, "Where are the parents in all of this?" They hear their kid listening to that stuff 24/7, and they don't try to broaden his horizons, or tell him that stuff is not allowed in the house?

Also, I don't just listen to gangster rap. The two most expensive CDs in my collection are about as different as night and day. One is a first-edition "Body Count" by Ice-T (before Time-Warner backed down). The other, which is the most expensive CD in my collection is a Japan-only release that is pretty much innocent "bubble gum" pop music.

What I listen to depends on my mood. After 9/11, ther eas less "bubble gum" and more of that hardcore stuff. Other times, I listen to different stuff. Do I have favorite songs I listen to more than others? Yes, I admit that.

The rap music ain't the problem. Even the gangster rap ain't the problem. It's only a symptom - and the problem is parents don't keep an eye on their kids and tell them certain things are not acceptable.
71 posted on 06/10/2003 9:05:06 AM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: rhema
"Every generation blames the one before. And all of their frustrations come beating on your door."
-Mike & The Mechanics, "The Living Years"
72 posted on 06/10/2003 9:07:57 AM PDT by pupdog
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To: hchutch
You don't have children yet, do you? You cannot raise them in a bubble.

This music is on radio and in the CD collections of millions of kids. Were my children still at home, I would not allow it in the house. That wouldn't stop them from listening as they drove their cars, at friends homes, and on the school bus.

And yes, I could say "this type of attitude is wrong," and perhaps I would make an impression. Or perhaps not, depending on the strength of peer pressure. And all it takes to ruin a young life is one mistake made by a poor choice when the parents aren't around.

73 posted on 06/10/2003 9:19:21 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
No, I don't have children.

I do, however, remember having numerous debates with my mother about which radio show I would listen to in the morning. And I eventually was listenign to them anyhow when she was not there.

Yet I did not make those mistakes, because she still was able to teach me right from wrong, and she made it stick. Parents have to get more involved in all of this.
74 posted on 06/10/2003 9:26:05 AM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: hchutch
There is a great mystery in raising children. If all one had to do was to follow certain theories and actions to produce desired results, things would be a lot simpler.

No one knows why some children who are ostracized in school turn out to be great people strengthened by adversity, while the same actions crush others. No one knows why some kids are immune to peer pressure, while others can be convinced to do really stupid things. Children raised in the same household, close in age, given the same parents and the same environment, turn ou worlds apart.

Why does my sister have one son who is an art teacher while the other is an iron worker? Why is my grandson shy while my granddaughter doesn't give a fig for anyone's opinion?

And which children are damaged by this music, directly or tangentially?

Here's the deal: I could keep my kids from listening to it 24/7. I could tell them that this is not the right way to think. I could give all sorts of guidance on behavior.

I could do all of those things, and it won't keep them from being mugged in a high school hallway by someone else's kid who has been allowed to listen to it and has copped a bad attitude.

I don't know the answer. I guess my preference is for the music industry to exert some social reponsibility, pressure the artists to clean up their acts, and promote some other artists who aren't engaged in out-vulgarizing everyone else.

75 posted on 06/10/2003 9:37:55 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: mhking
did you see the "50 Cent" sketch on SNL a few weeks ago?
76 posted on 06/10/2003 9:48:56 AM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: mhking
Ten to fifteen years ago, the animals who are populating the charts now would not have made it, nor would their antics been tolerated on a large-scale basis.

They're making money and we agree that they are animals. Appealing to their "good side" isn't going to work. Parents are allowing the music in the house. I don't see how it can be countered.

77 posted on 06/10/2003 9:51:15 AM PDT by Dianna (space for rent)
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To: jedwardtremlett
If you seen one hiphop act youve seen them all. All the dancing seems as if it is inspired by hemorrhoids.
78 posted on 06/10/2003 9:55:55 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: Destructor
Children will eventually return to the values that they were raised on.

Rock, Punk, and the other styles of music that have been proclaimed "subversionist", as far as I know, never told kids that mindless killing is a virtue, and there is no shame in doing time.

Where I live, many of the eleven and twelve year olds are living this paradigm that has been marketed to them. Sure, if your kid smokes a joint or gets a tattoo or drives too fast because he thinks he's James Dean or Ozzy, he probably will come around to his senses in time.

On the other hand, if he's running around with a jailhouse mindset, and he caps someone on the street to prove that he's "down", he's not coming back, Destructor. He's in the System. He has become that which he has learned to admire.

I think the difference in what kids are being taught to admire today as opposed to the "rebel" image of the past needs to be recognized.

79 posted on 06/10/2003 11:26:28 AM PDT by SoulStorms (That which grows in shadow, and withers in the light of day, does not belong on the vine.)
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To: Landru; joanie-f
If it were my express intent to "dumb down" an entire generation of American kids so as to leave 'em useless, hopelessly screwed up & thoroughly trashed...

In my NOT humble opinion, that is what this garbage is all about. We have the choice of looking at the positive side of the world and human nature or the ugly. What one feeds their mind is what one will ultimately reep.

80 posted on 06/10/2003 5:04:15 PM PDT by scholar
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