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Mindless, violent hip-hop culture isn't 'keepin' it real,' it's destroying our kids
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 6/8/03 | Alvin Williams

Posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:22 AM PDT by rhema

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1 posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:22 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Racism! THIS MUST BE RACISM!
2 posted on 06/09/2003 5:20:03 AM PDT by xrp
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To: xrp
Killing and Sex. Sounds like the Dixie Chicks to me.
3 posted on 06/09/2003 5:23:24 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Paper or plastic? That is the question.)
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To: rhema
They said some of the same things about Rock 'N Roll, Punk, New Wave, and Heavy Metal. It all boils down to the parents. Children will eventually return to the values that they were raised on. Sure they will rebel for a while, but it all boils down to what the parent teach, or fail to teach their children.
4 posted on 06/09/2003 5:27:12 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: rhema
This article is garbage. Every generation proclaims the death of music and the evils of the current crop of performers.

Parents should get with the program and help their kids make good choices...period. There is good and bad rap, hip hop or any other type of music for that matter.

5 posted on 06/09/2003 5:36:09 AM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: Destructor; rhema
I agree. Correlation is not causality. Both these things are a product of the same breakdown of the family. For some time in many black households, the government has moved in to replace men in the role of husband and father. The government can't teach kids to read and write so how are they going to teach them any kind of morality or even how or why to avoid a short sighted view of the world?

There is nothing in particular wrong with rap only the direction it's taking. If it promoted a message that was helpful to the listener, Rap would be fine, but instead, much of it glorifies criminal behavior. But even that is just a symptom of a far greater disease in the community at large.

6 posted on 06/09/2003 5:36:18 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: rhema
it's destroying our kids

It's doin xactly what it supposed to be doin

7 posted on 06/09/2003 5:37:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: rhema
bump...thanks for the post.
8 posted on 06/09/2003 5:46:20 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: mhking
ping
9 posted on 06/09/2003 6:01:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: rhema
While I do not endorse "Social Darwinism", Interscope Records (Div. AOL/Time Warner) apparently does find that it works.
10 posted on 06/09/2003 6:14:00 AM PDT by Helms (Jacque Chirac: He's Got No Mojo, Only Hojo)
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To: rhema; rdb3; hchutch
Run-DMC was part of the original crop of rap artists from the mid-80's. They didn't fall for this obscene gangsta rap that is part of today's urban youth culture. On the contrary, their music - along with much of the other music from the era - was primarily harmless, and dealt with what most music discussed in those days: having fun.

Once we got to the early 90's, the urban thug mentality entered rap music. Gangsta rap, which glorified a criminal element under the faulty guise of "telling the true story of the streets" entered the urban culture, and spread like wildfire.

Some petty street thugs and gangsters found a new outlet for their efforts, which led to the east coast-west coast gang wars. Those wars led to a worsening image nationally, and ultimately led to the jailing of 'Shug' Knight and the murders of Tupac Shakur and 'Biggie Smalls'.

Jason Mizell was a casualty of what the urban music business has become - the realm of thugs and criminals. He was on the periphery, and stepped on the toes of one of these petty thugs that is out there in the business now.

Those "businessmen" are nothing more than petty gangsters trying to play at using mafia-like tactics to advance their criminal enterprise. They use violence and sedition to push their music and by extension, they push drugs and promote the exploitation of women. They drive the big, expensive cars, wear the gaudy jewelery and simultaneously give voice to the victim mentality of the younger members of the black community across the nation.

They are part of the ongoing disease affecting black America. And it will take much time, effort and energy to create a means for a cure.

11 posted on 06/09/2003 6:58:54 AM PDT by mhking
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To: rhema
*reads article*

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn.
12 posted on 06/09/2003 8:56:17 AM PDT by jedwardtremlett
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To: mhking
Thanks for the thoughtful, incisive reply; it's a refreshing counterpoint to the armchair quarterbacks' supercilious and blase' dismissals of the pandemic.
13 posted on 06/09/2003 9:06:34 AM PDT by rhema
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Those wars led to a worsening image nationally, and ultimately led to the jailing of 'Shug' Knight and the murders of Tupac Shakur and 'Biggie Smalls'.

Yes, and they will all be truly missed...[ahem]. I have less than zero respect for anyone involved in the rap world. I used to be a fan back in the days of Run-DMC and Hammer, but it's just gotten ridiculous. They make the '80s glam rockers look calm, composed, and reserved.

Their "music" (I use the term loosely) videos are packed with people who can't speak english, who parade their gaudy jewelry, hats worn at odd angles, and big, expensive cars which most people will never be able to afford anyway.

I see most of these guys as being so incredibly shallow and materialistic to the point where it's just sickening. In so-called "urban culture," if you don't wear gold jewelry and have the latest Starter jersies, then you're not worth consideration. So what's the result? Guys who can't afford to feed their families are buying this crap in order to remain trendy. It's not just a fad, it's a genuine symbol of status to these people.

Probably worst of all, and the article touched on this subject, more and more black men think that education is a total dead-end. That's why you see so many trying to become "rap stars" and basketball players. They're trying for what they think is easy money. They don't seem to understand that an extremely small percentage of these guys actually go on to any form of success.

I don't buy the whole "every generation says this" line when it comes to rap. Young blacks need a strong slap across the face--and soon.

14 posted on 06/09/2003 9:15:13 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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I don't buy the whole "every generation says this" line when it comes to rap.

There is a demonstrable difference. Or did I somehow miss the Elvis and Chuck Berry songs that advocated killing cops and raping women?

15 posted on 06/09/2003 9:24:05 AM PDT by rhema
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To: mhking
They are part of the ongoing disease affecting black America.
17 posted on 06/09/2003 9:47:45 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: saramundee
We are not going to turn back time to Perry Como. Rap music will never go away as long as the adults keep railing against it. It's not like you don't have a choice. Don't listen if you don't like it.

That's why this black writer enjoins the whole rap community, not just amorphous "adults," to clean up the act: It's time for the artists, producers and record company executives who are making big bucks "talkin' trash" to start focusing on solutions. Then, maybe, the VH1 rankings will mean more to America than a list of the best of the worst.

And I listen only occasionally . . . when I have the car window down at a stop light and am the beneficiary of the Moron's Guide to Expletives blaring from my neighbor's car.

18 posted on 06/09/2003 9:54:14 AM PDT by rhema
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To: saramundee
Yes, there are a few rappers/songs that incite violence. Don't paint all rap with that broad brush.

Try it again - let's look at percentages; and especially percentages of artists/albums who are selling on the rap charts. The overwhelming majority of them are by artists who are mired in the gangsta-thug-criminal-mysogynistic culture that people percieve.

Ten to fifteen years ago, the animals who are populating the charts now would not have made it, nor would their antics been tolerated on a large-scale basis.

And if I hear that 50 Cent "It's yo birthday" bilge on my car radio again, I'm gonna rip it out of my dashboard and chuck it out the window. I'm sorry -- that's not even music, it's a moron who was too dumb not to die when he got shot babbling into a microphone.

19 posted on 06/09/2003 9:57:14 AM PDT by mhking
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To: saramundee
Don't listen if you don't like it.

Don't worry - I don't.

But it's not a matter of "not liking it," it's a matter of fostering a culture of gang-banging, the raping of women, the stealing your way to success. I have a responsibility to ensure that my children's world is a better one than mine. This kind of message - one that is taken seriously and emulated by the masses - is one that is not needed.

And it certainly does not do a thing for creating a better world - unless your idea of a better world involves scantily-clad booty-shaking women glomming onto ugly men with more gold than Fort Knox in their mouths, and driving cars big enough to house a king-sized bed and fireplace in (of course, this is while they still live in a ghetto tenament). If that's what it's all about, I'll pass...

20 posted on 06/09/2003 10:02:55 AM PDT by mhking
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