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'Fat tax' to fight obesity
News.com.au (Australia) ^ | June 9, 2003 | Rachel Morris

Posted on 06/08/2003 2:24:14 PM PDT by SamAdams76

BISCUITS, cakes and processed meals could be loaded with a "fat tax" as part of a shock tactic to combat Australia's spiralling obesity epidemic.

High-fat foods could be subject to the plan, which the Australian Medical Association says may be the way to reduce weight and ultimately save the health system billions.

The AMA will ask the Federal Government to consider the tax as part of an overall strategy to combat obesity. Recent studies have shown 47 per cent of women and 63 per of men are overweight or obese.

Diabetes Australia has also backed discussion of the plan at a federal level amid estimates more than one million Australians are afflicted by diabetes and that by 2010, 70 per cent of the population will be above their healthy weight range.

The British Medical Association has endorsed a similar plan to impose a 17.5 per cent value-added-tax on fatty food, except for takeaway meals which are already taxed. A similar tax has successfully been introduced on unsaturated fat products in Sri Lanka.

AMA vice president Mekesh Haikerwal said the doctors' group would be happy to put the tax idea "on the table" for discussion with the Federal Government.

A tax on fatty food would help to create a healthier society but "shock tactics" were needed to arrest the spread of obesity, he said.

"The discussion needs to be had," Dr Haikerwal said. "There needs to be a giant wake-up call, obesity is a major drain on our resources, on our health systems and workplaces."

Australian health ministers will meet next month to consider a national strategy to battle obesity levels with new evidence showing that within the next decade four-out-of-10 children will be overweight.

Diabetes Australia spokesman Alan Barclay said the plan was "definitely worth considering for the battle against diabetes". But he warned forcing companies to rethink the fat content of their products could result in foods high in sugar and starch.

There is already evidence some companies are changing the ingredients in snack foods. The recipe for Mars bars has been changed amid health fears over a fatty ingredient.

Hydrogenated vegetable fat has been removed from the popular chocolate bar because of its links with high cholesterol levels and heart disease.

"It needs to be targeted," Mr Barclay said. "Not all fats are bad for you."

He said there were about 600,000 registered diabetics in Australia with an estimated one million more undiagnosed or with pre-diabetes symptoms.

Diabetics spent an average of $10,000 a year on their condition, he said, with those with complications spending $20,000.


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To: Protagoras
I don't want the government to tell anybody anything.

I'm just ready for the (insert cause) nazis to get theirs, because obesity cuts across all political, gender and socio-economic lines.

I do, however, want food stamp recipients to stop buying trash food for our nation's kids. This is our people's health we're talking about here.

81 posted on 06/09/2003 8:12:57 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: freekitty
True, but by the same token, my taxes pay for taking care of those who refuse to take care of themselves. I'd like some control in the matter. Either they have to pay their own hospital bills no matter what or I oughta be able to force them to attend a military academy and get them in shape. :)
83 posted on 06/09/2003 8:37:41 AM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: txflake
I do, however, want food stamp recipients to stop buying trash food for our nation's kids. This is our people's health we're talking about here.

That's how government gets control of people, give them something and then tie strings to it. It works everytime.

Secondly, who decides what is "trash" food? And thirdly, they aren't "our" children or "our" people. People own themselves, they are not owned by society.

The government has no legitimate business whatsoever in these things.

84 posted on 06/09/2003 8:45:24 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: SamAdams76
Type 2 diabetes is a huge problem, and it is due to diet. Effectively when FAT became the enemy, everyone launched low fat foods, that are effectively nothing more than flour and high carbs replacing the fat. And flour honestly is about as nutritiously valueable as SUGAR...

Huge carb loads, body's can't handle it, system breaks down, Type 2 is the result. There is no debate, processed foods and insane carb levels are creating a huge long term health problems.
85 posted on 06/09/2003 8:49:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: rwfromkansas
Best way to lose weight is lower caloric intake and up caloric burn (eat better and exercise). However trading fat grams for carbs will lower your total caloric intake, it does cause the longer term health issues of Type 2 etc from carb loading.

So lowering carb and sugar intake and exercising helps, fat reduction helps as well, as fat per gram has the highest amongs of calories. However fats do need to be processed to be turned into glucose, Sugars need very little and carbs need not much more. Avoid those 2 things and body is forced to burn stores easier.

At least that's my laymens understanding of the process.
86 posted on 06/09/2003 8:53:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Protagoras
Secondly, who decides what is "trash" food?

Who decides what is 'trash' air? Is it really necessary to restrict refuse-burning plants from being constructed next to elementary schools?

I appreciate your purism; I also believe that the main reason we've become an overweight, unhealthy people is gov-sponsored/sanctioned bad nutrition.

Here: let's define 'trash' food as 'processed' food for this point of argument.

87 posted on 06/09/2003 8:58:34 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: SamAdams76
Why not cut out the middleman and just tax fat people directly? If they weigh over a certain amount, then tax em! Mandatory weigh-ins should be required to prepare your 1040. This would also encourage all those fatsos to lose weight...
88 posted on 06/09/2003 9:01:12 AM PDT by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution)
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To: txflake
You can define it anyway you want, but the point I was making is that no group of people, government or otherwise, should be making these kinds of decisions for others. It is the consequence of the government give-a-way transfer scheme.

Government loves to give things away,,,with strings. It is where they derive their power.

In the old times, Kings just said "you will do it my way or I'll kill you". "Civilized" tyrants do it other ways.

89 posted on 06/09/2003 9:04:29 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: mewzilla
Let 'em tax. If you don't eat the stuff, or much of it, what's the problem?

Sure, what a little less freedom and a little more government nannyism among friends? As long as it doesn't cost you much personally, why worry about it, right?

90 posted on 06/09/2003 9:25:06 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Sure, what a little less freedom and a little more government nannyism among friends? As long as it doesn't cost you much personally, why worry about it, right?

I suspect a good bit of this is from the smoking crowd saying "I told you so." I'm a smoker (working up the impulse to quit) and I want 'em to tax the hell out of ice cream, just so my wife can see what it's like.

Out of curiousity, what's your take on tobacco and alcohol taxes?

91 posted on 06/09/2003 9:33:41 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
Same as my take on most taxes... make 'em smaller, make 'em fair, and stop using 'em to try to control behavior. Set up an open, fair, and stable playing field, then just get the hell out of the way and let commerce happen.

My take income taxes is much angrier, though.

92 posted on 06/09/2003 9:38:06 AM PDT by Teacher317 (That's right, buddy, you show that turd who's boss)
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To: CaptainJustice
I think if people want to get fat; let them. Sometimes it's in the genes. What do you do about that?
93 posted on 06/09/2003 10:03:53 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Protagoras
"Government loves to give things away,,,with strings. It is where they derive their power."

Well said, and very true, very scary, really. What's worse is that government doesn't even have anything to give away to start with, until it confiscates it from whomever it rightfully belonged to in the first place.

94 posted on 06/09/2003 11:45:36 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: DannyTN
How about this. Use the proceeds of the tax to subsidize healthier foods.

Just goes to show, poor people just have way too much money. How about cutting their wages to bare minimum subsistence level? //end sarcasm//

95 posted on 06/09/2003 2:15:57 PM PDT by lockjaw02 ("The phenomenon of corruption is like the garbage. It has to be removed daily." -Ignacio)
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To: VRWC_minion
Should a skinny person penalized too ?

If we are talking Minion.......... YES.

96 posted on 06/09/2003 4:54:13 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: TontoKowalski
I suspect a good bit of this is from the smoking crowd saying "I told you so.

I think you're wrong, most of the pro-fat tax, seems to be the same old anti smoking crew, they must all be perfect.

97 posted on 06/09/2003 4:59:42 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: TontoKowalski
But we smokers still reserves the right to say, "We told you so." :-}
98 posted on 06/09/2003 5:01:04 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SamAdams76
Only a matter of time before this craziness hits the U.S. shores.

Of course this proposistion will be sponsored by none other than Jerold Nadler and Ted Kennedy who just happen to be two fine specimens of good health.

99 posted on 06/09/2003 5:18:22 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Great Dane
But we smokers still reserves the right to say, "We told you so." :-}

Does this mean junk food icons such as Toucan Sam,Tony the Tiger,and the Kiebler elves,etc., will go the way of Joe Camel?

100 posted on 06/09/2003 5:27:05 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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