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Vatican Secretary of State speaks frankly on Israel, Palestine, and Islam
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 6/6/2003 | John L. Allen

Posted on 06/08/2003 12:38:11 PM PDT by sinkspur

A top Vatican official has said that Palestinians expelled from their property in what is today Israel following conflicts in 1948 and 1967 have the right to return, or at least to be compensated for their loss.

"If you expel me from my home, then in justice you need to let me come back, or at least give me something," said Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State.

Sodano suggested that Europeans have a special sensitivity to the question, since at various points of the 20th century Poles, Germans, French and Italians have been driven from areas traditionally considered theirs.

Sodano also suggested that in order to bring peace to the Middle East, Israel will have to sacrifice at least some of its settlements in the occupied territories. He said that a "Gruyere state" for the Palestinians is unacceptable, referring to a kind of cheese full of holes - a metaphor for the settlements.

Both comments reflect standing Vatican positions, but were delivered in unusually frank terms.

Sodano's comments came aboard a catamaran carrying Pope John Paul II and his entourage from the airport in Krk to the island of Rijeka. He took questions on international affairs for the better part of a half-hour.

Asked by NCR if U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell had pressed the Vatican for a concrete commitment on Jerusalem in his meetings last Monday at the Vatican, Sodano responded, "We're the ones who should be asking for a commitment from him."

Sodano reiterated the Vatican's long-standing position in favor of international jurisdiction for the holy sites in Jerusalem.

NCR also asked Sodano if he believes the U.S. commitment to the so-called "road map" for peace in the Middle East is genuine.

"In international diplomacy, you have to take people at their word," Sodano said. "They tell us they are committed, so we accept that they are committed. I believe there is hope."

In a freewheeling reflection on Christianity and Islam, Sodano acknowledged that the Arab world is a "little unknown to us," but said there are encouraging examples of a "tolerant, dialogue-ready Islam" in various places around the globe.

He cited the example of Senegal, where he said that on the occasion of John Paul's February 1992 trip, the president, a Muslim, praised the pope "in extravagant terms that heads of state in the West would not be able to use."

Sodano also pointed to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, where at one stage four ministers of the federal government, including the defense minister, were Christians. He acknowledged, however, that Christian/Muslim relations have deteriorated in recent months.

"This tolerant, dialogue-ready Islam still has to arrive in the Arab world," Sodano said.


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KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; islam; israel; palestinians
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To: marajade
Why just today our Bishop O'Brien in Phoenix AZ stated that he served at the pleasure of the Pope but yet he also stated that he offered to resign to the "proper authorities" and was it was refused.

The Vatican will put up with any number of scofflaws in positions of authority rather than allow even the appearance that the laity can muscle these guys out of power.

The only leverage laymen have in the Catholic Church is to shut their checkbooks, and let the hierarchs know why they're shutting the financial spigot.

Clericalism is alive and well, and likely always will be.

21 posted on 06/08/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I think I read somewhere that this scandal is close to costing the church 5 bil in the US... That is a lot of money...

The church will soon realize that money doesn't grow on trees...
22 posted on 06/08/2003 1:15:21 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
My question is: either he serves at the pleasure of the Pope or he doesn't... which is it?

Generally, it is at the pleasure of the pope. But, this pope RARELY removes anybody. He lets them resign, which I think is the protocol anyway. It doesn't happen very often. Usually only for health. Before the last couple years, that's the only reason I've heard of one resigning.

O'Brien better have the proof to back up his claim. If he goes to jail, so be it. If he's guilty that's where he belongs.
23 posted on 06/08/2003 1:18:07 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
What I am sick of is people who claim they are sick of the church.

Tell me about it. I am also sick of these people who claim to be Christians, yet speak with forked tongues. There is often not much charitable about their words or actions towards others. Jesus had some strong words for such people. I was about to write an e-mail to all the Catholics that I have kept friendly contact with over the years about my frustration with the spirit of the dialogue on FR concerning religion. Instead of bringing out the best in people, it often brings out the most ugly. I was thinking about taking a sabbatical from the Religion forum, because at this point in my spiritual development, I thought that I really didn't need to deal with all this junk. I have sympathies for the traditionalists and their points, and I have sympathies for those who have stuck with the Church. But with the true radicals on the Left who want to destroy the Church with their evils of abortion and "sexual freedom," and the schismatics and their questionable words at times, I have often felt frustrated. I want to say to a lot of people "Let he is without sin cast the first stone." But the tenacious spirit in me overcame my thoughts to take a break from the Religion forum. Because there should be no break from our mission for the conversion of souls for Jesus, and we should all let God sort things out. We must put trust in Him and pray for the defense of the Church. He will answer our prayers if enough people pray for it.

24 posted on 06/08/2003 1:20:22 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Dog Gone
Is there any political issue where the Vatican doesn't offer its opinion?

Not if there's some advantage to be gained. The Church has always weighed in on the side of the Palestinians, I think, because it knows Christians can be subject to persecution in Arab countries if it doesn't!

An Italian foreign policy expert who advises the Vatican said as much a month ago. He opined that the Church can rip the West because It knows it can, without repercussion. Notice, Bush pats the Pope on the head, praises him as a great moral leader, and ignores every political plea he makes because John Paul II has a different agenda than Bush does.

25 posted on 06/08/2003 1:21:19 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Desdemona
"O'Brien better have the proof to back up his claim. If he goes to jail, so be it. If he's guilty that's where he belongs."

You know what's sad? Our county attorney entered into a consent agreement and won a lot of consessions about how the Church will treat children... and to him that more important than O'Brien going to jail... Why? Because the Pope or the "appropriate authorities" whichever it is stated that if even indicted he would stay in the capacity of Bishop...

Now O'Brien is out there saying he isn't guilty even though he just signed a consent agreement saying he was... I mean either you are or you aren't... Its really a simple concept...

26 posted on 06/08/2003 1:21:35 PM PDT by marajade
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To: All
Myths and facts re: the Arab/Israeli conflict
27 posted on 06/08/2003 1:21:53 PM PDT by hope (Where the Spirit of the Lord is there IS liberty)
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To: sinkspur
"Notice, Bush pats the Pope on the head, praises him as a great moral leader ..."

I disagree with Bush on this... Any Pope that would continue to let its priests under him sexually molest children isn't a moral leader...
28 posted on 06/08/2003 1:23:37 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
The church will soon realize that money doesn't grow on trees...

It's already realizing it.

Our parish bulletin had a notice today that, of 4307 registered families, only 1938 (44%) had contributed anything in the last TWO years! Of course, with Mass attendance at 30-50%, that figure looks pretty good. But, the amount of donations has taken a 10% nosedive.

And we've had no scandal in our parish or surrounding parishes. But a lack of trust wafts out to touch even those who are trustworthy.

29 posted on 06/08/2003 1:26:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
He opined that the Church can rip the West because It knows it can, without repercussion.

I suppose that's true, politically at least. But I imagine there are Catholics in the West who are tiring of it, and it's certainly not helpful in recruiting converts or raising donations in America.

30 posted on 06/08/2003 1:28:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: sinkspur
"If you expel me from my home, then in justice you need to let me come back, or at least give me something," said Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State.

When will the Vatican call for the 600,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab countries be compensated for their loss? These Jewish people were driven out of Muslim nations without compensation of any kind. Homes, land and businesses were confiscated by the Muslims. They settled in Israel and made new lives for themselves. But they still should be compensated for all that was stolen from them.

Lets hope the Vatican will lead the way in calling for compensation for the Jewish people.
31 posted on 06/08/2003 1:29:37 PM PDT by protest1
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To: sinkspur
The church will soon realize that money doesn't grow on trees...

It's already realizing it.


Depends on where you are. Some of us are in the black. Of course, my archdiocese was very aggressive in laicizing the abusers. Not that there were that many to begin with. The worst was a recent case that the Chancery didn't know about at all before last summer. And it was not covered up.
32 posted on 06/08/2003 1:32:03 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Dog Gone
But I imagine there are Catholics in the West who are tiring of it, and it's certainly not helpful in recruiting converts or raising donations in America.

Dog, I'd be surprised if 5% of American Catholics even knew the Pope opposed the war on Iraq. They just don't pay attention to what comes out of the Vatican. Many are still angry over the sexual abuse scandals, and will likely remain so for a very long time.

33 posted on 06/08/2003 1:34:10 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I guess the church in Phoenix is selling some its land holdings to compensate victims monetarily...
34 posted on 06/08/2003 1:37:34 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
I guess the church in Phoenix is selling some its land holdings to compensate victims monetarily...

Dallas had to sell most of its holdings, including a historic school in downtown Dallas, to pay off the victims of ONE PRIEST, Rudy Kos.

No new high school in Plano (north Dallas), no new parishes for a while....it's really sad to watch.

And still, the crusty old Bishop, Charles Grahmann, won't take the hint and get out of Dodge.

35 posted on 06/08/2003 1:42:00 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
The Church has always weighed in on the side of the Palestinians, I think, because it knows Christians can be subject to persecution in Arab countries if it doesn't!

If so, that demonstrates a stunning lack of moral courage.

36 posted on 06/08/2003 1:50:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur
Your post 35... I find that rather sad... Instead of the church being able to financially help those who need it... they are paying off lawsuits because they didn't have the courage to rid themselves of priests who committed criminal illegalities... Do they think that is what God has called them to do?
37 posted on 06/08/2003 1:53:13 PM PDT by marajade
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To: sinkspur
One other thingie, which comes to mind when this guy airily chats about the right of return. When was the last time the Vatican expressed concern for the well being and safety of Jews in Israel?
38 posted on 06/08/2003 1:53:48 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur
Dog, I'd be surprised if 5% of American Catholics even knew the Pope opposed the war on Iraq. They just don't pay attention to what comes out of the Vatican.

Oh. That surprises me.

Well, I guess I'll quit being as disturbed by some of the things coming out of the Vatican. I thought they might be shaping the opinions of churchmembers.

39 posted on 06/08/2003 2:05:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Torie
The Church has always weighed in on the side of the Palestinians, I think, because it knows Christians can be subject to persecution in Arab countries if it doesn't!

If so, that demonstrates a stunning lack of moral courage.

That's just my surmise. But it's been widely reported that the Pope pushed for inspections in Iraq because he was concerned about a wider Muslim-Christian war. He also,pointedly, never had a word to say about Hussein's human rights abuses because he feared the repercussions to Chaldean Catholics in Iraq.

That's good for the Chaldean Catholics, but, you're right. It doesn't exhibit much moral courage.

40 posted on 06/08/2003 2:10:22 PM PDT by sinkspur
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