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Liberals need to get hip to young conservatives
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 6/7/03 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/07/2003 10:19:50 PM PDT by LdSentinal

When liberals wear ties and jackets, it's not news. But for some reason, when conservatives put on baggy jeans, it's a huge story.

That seems to be the upshot of a recent cover story of The New York Times magazine titled "The Young Hipublicans," which explores the world of campus conservatives. The article's teaser says it all: "No taxes, no gun control -- but these days blue blazers and gay bashing are not required. College conservatives have learned that by acting like everybody else, they can sway their peers and become the most influential political act on campus."

The article, by John Colapinto, is full of observations like this one: "Today, most campus conservatives who hope to be effective won't dress like George Bush or Dick Cheney. The idea is to dress like a young person."

In other words, campus conservatives are traveling in mufti -- putting on the costumes of liberals and common folk -- in order to be taken seriously by the left. As the author says, "The idea is to dress like a young person." The fact that these campus conservatives are, in fact, young people is inconsequential. We know that, if these young conservatives could have their way, they'd be wearing topsiders and khakis, slapping around the nearest gay guy they could find.

According to Colapinto, the "idea" to wear ostensibly "hip" clothes comes as much -- if not more so -- from a web of off-campus right-wing organizations. In fact, these groups provide more than fashion tips. Outfits such as the Intercollegiate Studies Institute and the Young America's Foundation provide kids with talking points, which include not only useful sound bites on guns and taxes but advice about how to loosen up and use humor in their arguments.

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KEYWORDS: conservatives; generationx; generationy; hipublicans; jonahgoldberg; liberals; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; pravdaonthehudson; youth
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1 posted on 06/07/2003 10:19:51 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
Stupid me!! I forgot us youngling Republicans are suppose to dress like golfers and businessmen. LOL I guess need to return those pairs of baggy cargo shorts and flipflops.
2 posted on 06/07/2003 10:31:37 PM PDT by neb52
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To: LdSentinal
Interesting. But isn't this really '90s "retro"? Wasn't there a "hip" grunge slacker chick calling herself "Kennedy" who used to be on MTV? Wasn't she also a Republican supposedly? Someone on Satuday Night Live did a spoof based on her (Anna Gasteyer maybe). The only thing about that '90s hip grunge slacker Seattle Starbucks schtick was kids in the '70s sported a similar look. Jeans and untucked T-shirts covering bodies that hadn't bathed in weeks. These things go in cycles. Footnote: The music in the '60s and '70s that went along with the look was actually better and more melodious than this atonal whining droning dreck some kids listen to now.
3 posted on 06/07/2003 10:36:15 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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I think the sartorial lumpenradicals of outrageous wardrobe in the 1600s were known as "the Ranters."
4 posted on 06/07/2003 10:40:05 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: neb52
Nah, let 'em think this. The left still doesn't "get it".

We come in all sizes, shapes and stripes, but why let them know that? Let 'em keep thinking that all conservatives are just stodgy old "Dick Cheny" types who wear nothing but golf pants or business suits.

It's to their own detriment to ignore what's happening on our side, but so be it.

5 posted on 06/07/2003 10:41:14 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yeah, her name was Kennedy and she was a Republican.

Footnote: The music in the '60s and '70s that went along with the look was actually better and more melodious than this atonal whining droning dreck some kids listen to now.

I'm 23 years old, and 'The Beatles' are my favorite band. I think Yoko Ono is the anti-Christ.

Correction. I know Yoko Ono is the anti-Christ.

6 posted on 06/07/2003 10:49:15 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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I wear bowling shoes, jeans, a ThinkGeek shirt and a binary watch. Many times I carry a plunger with me.

What stereotype to I fit in to?

*waits

7 posted on 06/07/2003 10:49:47 PM PDT by sackofcatfood
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
This conservative guy (hi!) has worn black t-shirts and jeans ever since I've been conservative! They don't get it because they've never gotten it. We're not their stereotype of us, and because all liberals do is think in stereotypes, they'll NEVER get it.
8 posted on 06/07/2003 10:50:50 PM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
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To: LdSentinal
Interesting. So you are musically conservative as well? Close on Yoko. She was probably a Communist agent sent to take out MI5's band.

The advertizing campaign of grunge slacker aesthetics in the '90s was probably to expand Ritalin use. Speaking as a conservative and one who has been studying the decline of Western civilization, I don't get the baggy pants. What's that all about?

Footnote: Some of the conservative student journalists I wrote with in the '70s and '80s smoked pot and [horrors!] listened to Rock music. Fortunately, we elected Reagan. TWICE!. In '84 it was done to the tune of Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" as I recall. Memories are a little fuzzy. Too many beermares ago.

9 posted on 06/07/2003 10:56:31 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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We know that, if these young conservatives could have their way, they'd be wearing topsiders and khakis, slapping around the nearest gay guy they could find.

No, but they might slap you around for calling the bigots.
10 posted on 06/07/2003 11:06:31 PM PDT by John Lenin (Government does not solve problems, it subsidizes them)
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To: sackofcatfood
I wear bowling shoes, jeans, a ThinkGeek shirt and a binary watch. Many times I carry a plunger with me.

Bowling shoes and a plunger. You sound like a bagman. I'd say you fit the "homeless" stereotype. We should all feel sorry for you, tax the crap out of those evil rich people, and hand over the dividends to you so that you can go out and buy more binary watches, cheap wine, and crack. You might even be one of those horrid "independents." Maybe even one of the ones who sympathized with or possibly voted for Ross Perot.

11 posted on 06/07/2003 11:07:59 PM PDT by MCH
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Are 'The Beatles' now conservative? Hmmm . . . I also like a bunch of 80's music.

As for the baggy pants during the 90s, I went to a nerd high school in NYC, and I could never figure why they were in fashion. They just were.

Bruce Springsteen made a big deal about Reagan invoking "Born in the U.S.A." in 1984. Springsteen, is a Democrat, and was pretty upset. You see Springsteen is a "regular Joe," that's why he lives in a mansion in New Jersey.

12 posted on 06/07/2003 11:10:50 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Well the baggy pants are a better cut. I don't were the super-obnoxious-baggy pants that Fubu or whatever makes, but especially when you wear boxers, regular cut or even relax fit are uncomfortable.

LOL the 90s dress, yes in High School I was a freak with hair down to my shoulders with the whole baggy pants barily hanging on with my Kurt Cobain Death Certificate T-Shirt. Oh don't forget the fannel shirt either. Boy! have I grown up big time. :P
13 posted on 06/07/2003 11:22:52 PM PDT by neb52
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Bruce Springsteen made a big deal about Reagan invoking "Born in the U.S.A." in 1984. Springsteen, is a Democrat, and was pretty upset. You see Springsteen is a "regular Joe," that's why he lives in a mansion in New Jersey. 12 posted on 06/07/2003 11:10 PM PDT by LdSentinal

LOL! I recall the Springsteen flap. Reagan was "cooler" than Springsteen though. "Go ahead, make my day." Reagan was a spaghetti Western anti-hero.

As a teenager, I did have long hair for a period. And I saw a Ted Nugent concert once. There were actually quite a few different fashion scenes going on between '75 and the early '80s. The long hair and jeans scene that went along with pot, Rock music, and lots of sex. There was the exotic but vapid Disco thing based out of Manhattan. The various avant-garde punk and New Wave stuff with a heavy influence from the UK. Really weird hair. At the same, in the private schools of the then Late Modern Atlantic civilization, there were guys with short hair who dressed very conservatively and preppy, voted Republican , read National Review, Burke, and Evelyn Waugh novels, but also smoked pot and listened to Rock Music. The Republican Party reptiles. National Lampoon's Animal House (although set in the early Camelot '60s) was fairly close to what this was all about. Lots of beer, glib humor, and staid conservative clothing. Some of us are in charge of part of the country now. Scary?

Well, we won the Cold War. Still don't get the baggy pants though.

14 posted on 06/07/2003 11:46:03 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: LdSentinal
Are 'The Beatles' now conservative? Hmmm . . .

Listen to "Norwegian Wood" and think about how that should be described stylistically.

15 posted on 06/07/2003 11:49:24 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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from the newspaper that supports disney gaydays? This is nothing more than to "spin" college conservatives as more permissive than normal conservatives. This will gently move them to the leftist regressive ideals.

This gives the "feel" of leftists are worried that they are loosing the message war and there are fewer leftists to carry the torch of socialism.
16 posted on 06/08/2003 12:15:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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"...pot, rock music, and lots of sex..."

I was there...and two out of three ain't bad, I guess. The pot and the rock music...
17 posted on 06/08/2003 12:23:23 AM PDT by 38special
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Some pretty wild stuff going on. Just for the sake of the advance of cultural anthropology, it would be interesting to know what percentage of Republicans are actually familiar with the operations of a "bong."
The '70s, contrary to the popular conception, were not entirely liberal though. Reagan didn't materialize out of nowhere.
18 posted on 06/08/2003 12:33:46 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Which is why we still read stories about liberals who are shocked that conservatives are hip or simply that they don't eat their young. This shock translates itself into condescension; conservative success must be attributable to sophisticated string-pullers. Right-wing kids must be dressing like normal students as part of some strategy, not because they're normal kids.

The irony is that this sort of coverage reveals that the liberal establishment is as out of touch as it was in the 1960s. But now the rebels are the conservatives -- which even The New York Times recognizes, finally.

now the rebels are the conservatives

19 posted on 06/08/2003 1:06:02 AM PDT by stands2reason
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I don't get the baggy pants. What's that all about?

Modeled after institutional wear (ie. prison togs).

20 posted on 06/08/2003 1:08:48 AM PDT by stands2reason
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