Wahhabi Islam – the Real Enemy of the West Wahhabi Islam – the Real Enemy of the West

SFTT ^ | 5/30/2003 | Robert G. Williscroft

[tictoc]

I've had a representative from the Islamic Supreme Council of America, representing the views of the moderate Muslim (the majority of Muslims) on my now defunct Banana Republican Radio Hour and people just didn't want to hear anything other than "Islam is evil" and "Islam is the enemy".

Not me. I have spoken out more than once to oppose those who see every Muslim, and all of Islam, as the enemy. I also thanked you and wished you luck when you announced your guest speaker here on the forum.

[joesnuffy]

CAIR the Wahhabi Lobby- lubricating our leaders
Saudi Oil money building mosques and Islamic Centers accross our country
We've been invaded...by those who have sworn to destroy us
And they've nearly become successful shutting up all criticism of them in this endevor
While we go off to fight their enemies allowing the Wahabbis to grow stronger..

[veronica]

BTTT.

[Courier]

The problem in the Middle East is not the created Palestinains, Syria, or pre-War Iraq. All those Arabs are and were the worker ants. The Queen, the core of evil, is Saudi Arabia.

We won't touch them.

At the risk of being fried here, the reason is that the Bush family business is glued to them.

Before being accused of being a Bush hater, I know it is inevitable anyway, until a couple of weeks ago I believed that this President, unlike his father, could overcome and do what was best for America. I was wrong.

Goal. The Saudis score.

[Luis Gonzalez]

That's true.

I guess I shouldn't paint with a broad brush when accussing others of painting with a broad brush.

[Courier]

For someone with time on their hands, compare the truths in this article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26645-2003Jun6.html

with Bush statements about "our friend" Saudi Arabia, and learn why this war against terrorism is a joke.

[redrock]

We did NOT start the fight...

....but we WILL finish it.

redrock

[MHGinTN]

Thanks for the ping, Luis. This essay is a lot better than the one I hastily threw together for FR in Sept, 2001.

[Valin]

The Wahabbis have been "blackmailing" the Saudi rulers for many years, because,under Wahabbi law,the rulers are corrupt,blasphemous, and subject to execution by an Islamic court.So: the Saudis pay up-lavishly- over $5 billion dollars to the Taliban alone.

Actually it's not so much blackmail as it is an alliance
(snip)
Wahhabi Islam Today
The fortunes of the Wahhabi brand of Islam became a matter of political fortune when it was adopted by the Al Saud family, leaders in the fight against domination and rule of Ottoman Turks on the Arabian peninsula. This rebellion against the Ottomans was fierce and bloody, in large part because the Wahhabis were indiscriminate in their killing of both Muslims and non-Muslims - anyone who didn't adhere to their vision of orthodoxy was a fair target. Leading jurists of the time tended to brand them as the contemporary equivalents of the Kharijites

When the Saud family's rebellion was defeated, many assumed that Wahhabi Islam would fade away or simply become another obscure sect. However, it gained renewed importance under the leadership of Abd al-Aziz in Saud, a new Arabian leader who allied himself Wahhabi militants known as the Ikhwan. This time the rebellion against the Ottoman Turks was supported by Western powers who were involved in World War I, where Turkey was allied with Germany.

Today, Wahhabism is the dominant Islamic tradition on the Arabian penninsula, though its influence is greatly reduced in the rest of the Middle East. As Osama bin Laden comes from Saudi Arabia and is Wahhabi himself, Wahhabi extremism and radical ideas of purity have obviously influenced him considerably. Adherents of Wahhabi Islam do not regard it as simply one school of thought out of many; rather it is the only path of true Islam - nothing else really counts.

Also, even though Wahhabism is a minority position, it has nevertheless been influential for other extremist movements throughout the Middle East. This can be seen with a couple of factors, first of which is al-Wahhab's use of the term jahiliyya to vilify a society which he does not consider pure enough, whether they call themselves Muslim or not. Even today, Islamists use the term when referring to the West and at times even to their own societies. With it, they can justify overthrowing what many might regard as an Islamic state by essentially denying that it is truly Islamic at all.

for the complete article
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_wahhab.htm

[McGavin999]

The moment a cleric utters a Fatwa calling for anyone’s death is the moment for us to act. These clerics must be stopped permanently, no matter what it takes.

I agree with this completely. Until the situation in Iraq is under control, they should be jailed for incitment. There's not much we can do about the parents, but there is a lot we can do about the children. In addition, there are plenty of Shia clerics who ARE moderate, and prefer a secular government. They should be funded, their mosques should be prominent, and they should be prosperous. We have to act quickly in Iraq before this infection spreads.

As to other places, I suggest the Saudis set up a new religous council to oversee the clerics who preach in SA. They should also take to the airways to educate the people in general and let them know how much money has been taken from them to finance these things outside of their country while the people in SA have been allowed to live in poverty.

If the Al Saud family doesn't act quickly, they will be history.

[SauronOfMordor]

In most of the Islamic world, the Wahhabis control basic schooling. Between the ages of 7 and 15, students are taught fundamentals of strict Islam and religious obligations. Initial introduction to basic education (reading, writing, and arithmetic) is entirely absent, except as an adjunct to the teaching of strict, literal Islam. Between 15 and 25, young men are taught to fight – are prepared for jihad.

My big question is: how do these graduates earn a living?

What is absent here is any preparation for any trade or profession. How do these people earn an income? Are they entirely supported by an oil-financed Islamic welfare state? If so, then if we cripple the ability of the Saudi's to finance it all, then radical Islam goes away

Of course, we would still have Muslims in the West being able to live on welfare while continuing their radical studies...

[marron]

My big question is: how do these graduates earn a living?

Actually, Saudi Arabia has a pretty extensive social net. Everyone has, or did have, access to interest free loans to buy their first home, to establish businesses. Bedouins have been helped to establish themselves as town-folk, those who wanted, housing provided. At one time, at least, scholarships for foreign study were widely available.

Then there is another issue, which is that foreigners who wish to operate a business must have a Saudi partner. Many Saudis make a living by being a 60% partner to a business established by some Bangladeshi, collecting an income for nothing more than the use of his name.

At least until recently, Saudis did not work at menial or technical labor. They worked in banks, or they owned shops operated by foreign workers. Or, in the case of Bedouins, they might work as armed security, or as taxi drivers in taxis provided by the government. Otherwise, they did not work. A Saudi will not take a job he considers menial. Period.

Medical is free, education (for what its worth) is free. This social net is very expensive, and is the reason that the kingdom is essentially bankrupt. Which is also why the idea that the US is dependent on Saudi oil is so mistaken; it is the Saudis that are totally dependent. They dare not reduce their oil income in order to manipulate the market; cut the social spending and blood will run in the streets.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Bump!

[Ippolita]

Good article and commentary.
Ping for the Islaam List.

[SauronOfMordor]

This social net is very expensive, and is the reason that the kingdom is essentially bankrupt. Which is also why the idea that the US is dependent on Saudi oil is so mistaken; it is the Saudis that are totally dependent. They dare not reduce their oil income in order to manipulate the market; cut the social spending and blood will run in the streets.

I agree. They are on the edge of social collapse. With a birthrate of 6.21 kids born per woman, and 42.4% of the population under 14, their GDP has to double in the next 20 years in order to maintain the standard of living of the next generation of sullen Muslim males. It won't happen.

The older generation sees the handwriting on the wall. They know collapse is inevitable and soon. It could be that 9/11 was a scream of rage at the knowledge of their own doom

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[redrock]

Dr.Williscroft's website can be found HERE .

Some really excellent work....

redrock

[SauronOfMordor]

It could be that 9/11 was a scream of rage at the knowledge of their own doom

On second thought, it could also be a desperate effort to create a conflict between Islam and the West that would solidify support among their own people. Civil war is less likely if you have an external enemy to focus on. Plus it gives the Saudi rulers an opportunity to send off some of their useless mouths to go get killed

[knighthawk]

No so Islam – and especially not so the Wahhabi branch of Sunni Islam. The Wahhabis believe that Allah’s organs are physical, and that Allah sits firmly on a ruling throne in Paradise. They take in a literal sense every Qur’anic statement, especially when it relates to warfare, and most particularly to jihad – religious war.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

[Brian Allen]

Thanks, Veronica.