Wahhabi Islam – the Real Enemy of the West Wahhabi Islam – the Real Enemy of the West

SFTT ^ | 5/30/2003 | Robert G. Williscroft

[sheik yerbouty]

There won't be any second place finishers. Wahabism must not prevail.

[dixiechick2000]

Good background on Wahhabi Islam!

Thanks for the ping and the post.

Bookmarked!

[VOA]

The specter of universal Jihad is upon us. The longer we wait, the stronger the
Wahhabis become, and more capable of achieving their goals.

Despite all the chatter we hear on talk-radio about "Dubya has the Saudis
to his ranch", I think Dubya and Ashcroft are onto the game of the Saudis/Wahhabists.

(please bear with repeats from prev. postings below)
A few weeks ago, a Saudi Arabian consular officer was detained for two days
when he arrived at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), and was then put onto
a plane back to Saudi (or at least to Frankfurt, Germany).
Turned out that he either ignored (or didn't know) that his passport had been canceled
due to Wahhabbist activities; US guvmint sources claim that while he was a Saudi consular officer
and imam/prayer leader at the hugh mosque in Culver City, CA...he was also basically
the head Wahhabist coordinator for the US West Coast.

Off course, his friends all say "he was a religious man and apolitical".

Suggeested reading:
"Hatred's Kingdom"
by Dore Gold, formerly of the Israeli diplomatic corps
Documents the history of Wahhabism; even the attempt by the Turks to wipe out
these nutburgers in the 1800's.

Robert Bahr's (sp?) article in The Atlantic Monthly of May 2003; details the likely
fall of The House of Saud.

[Travis McGee]

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

[Turk2]

Nice to see someone who knows about history here for a change.

[Turk2]

We've been fighting all sorts these of 'nutbuggers' for two centuries. Nice of you guys to finally join in the fight.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The system feeds upon itself, and is growing stronger by the day. In recent weeks, Iraqi clerics have begun issuing Fatwas to their local congregations that, in effect, put at risk every non-Islamic person anywhere in the region. These people cannot be stopped by reason. They cannot be starved out. And they certainly cannot be changed. Their message of universal fundamentalist Islamic rule over all Muslims now and over the entire world as soon as possible cannot be ignored if we value our freedom and way of life.

That's right, Islam is essentially fundamentalist, and it is absurd to compare Islam to Christianity, and to compare God to Mohammed. Mohammed isn't God. As this article indicates:

In another sense, however, Islam is dramatically different from both Christianity and Judaism. The Judeo-Christian focus is mainly on peace and nonviolence - turning the other cheek. Granted, in practice, our own heritage has had its share of faith-based wars, but in today's modern world, both Christianity and Judaism can be considered entirely benign.

This is not the case regarding Islam, their goal is to impose their religion by force. The following chart sums up the difference between Christianity and Islam.

Jesus vs. Mohammed:
What the Bible teaches about Jesus	What the Quran teaches about Mohammed
Jesus is the Son of God (John 10:36)	Mohammed was a man (Surah 18:110)
Jesus performed miracles (Mark 7:37)	Mohammed Did not perform miracles (Surah 17:59)
Jesus knew what is inside people's hearts (Revelation 2:23)	Mohammed did not know what is inside People's hearts (Surah 11:31)
Jesus is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1 & 2)	Mohammed is not our advocate with the Father (Surah 9:80)
Jesus forbade His followers to use the sword (Matthew 26:52)	Mohammed urged his followers to use the sword (Surah 8:65)
Jesus taught forgiveness (Matthew 5:38,39)	Mohammed taught revenge (Surah 2:194)
Jesus was sinless (1 Peter: 2:22)	Mohammed was sinful (Surah 47:19)
Jesus words never change (Matthew 24:35)	The Quran words changed (Surah 16:101)
Jesus healed the blind man (Luke 18:35-43)	Mohammed turned away from the blind man (Surah 80:1-10)
Jesus called on people to come to Him (Matthew 11:28-30)	Mohammed was admonished because he sent people away (Surah 6:52)
Jesus taught monogamy (Matthew 19:5,6)	Mohammed taught polygamy (Surah 4:3)
People were free to accept Jesus' message or reject it (Luke 10:10,11)	People were forced to accept Mohammed's message (Surah 9:29)
Jesus is the Difference

[Celtman]

Islam, as promoted by Wahhabism, and as financed by the House of Saud, is the true enemy here.

      Actually, I believe that the true enemy here is Islam, as contained in the Qur'an.  This is not to say that all Saudis, or all Arabs, or all Muslims, are the enemy. 
      The teachings of the Qur'an are incompatible with American civilization and culture.  Period.  The same can be said for the teachings of National Socialism (NAZIism) and International Socialism (communism). 
      The Wahabis are being true to the Qur'an.  And I have yet to be convinced that the Saud family is being blackmailed.
      There are individual Muslims who like American civilization, either not realizing or ignoring the incompatibilities. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

I can't help it if you wish to hold on to your misbegotten beliefs.

Carry on in your alternative world, the rest of us will live here in the real one.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Actually, I believe that the true enemy here is Islam, as contained in the Qur'an."

80% of the world's Muslims are NOT Arabs, yet nearly 100% of the problem with Muslims is centered in the Middle East...inside the Wahhabi sphere of influence.

[Valin]

80% of the world's Muslims are NOT Arabs, yet nearly 100% of the problem with Muslims is centered in the Middle East...inside the Wahhabi sphere of influence.

Kathryn Jean Lopez: What is Wahhabism?

Stephen Schwartz: Wahhabism is an extremist, puritanical, and violent movement that emerged, with the pretension of "reforming" Islam, in the central area of Arabia in the 18th century.
It was founded by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who formed an alliance with the house of Saud, in which religious authority is maintained by the descendants of al-Wahhab and political power is held by the descendants of al-Saud: This is the Wahhabi-Saudi axis, which continues to rule today. From its beginning, Wahhabism declared the entirety of existing Islam to be unbelief, and traditional Muslims to be unbelievers subject to robbery, murder, and sexual violation. Wahhabism has always viewed Shia Muslims genocidally, as non-Muslims worthy of annihilation. Wahhabism has always attacked the traditional, spiritual Islam or Sufism that dominates Islam in the Balkans, Turkey, Central Asia, India, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Wahhabism and neo-Wahhabism (the latter being the doctrines of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the Pakistani Islamists) are the main source of Islamic extremist violence in the world today. Wahhabism represents a distinct, ultraradical form of Islamism. Wahhabism is completely subsidized by the Saudi regime, using oil income.
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory111802.asp

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Wahhabism and neo-Wahhabism (the latter being the doctrines of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the Pakistani Islamists) are the main source of Islamic extremist violence in the world today. Wahhabism represents a distinct, ultraradical form of Islamism. Wahhabism is completely subsidized by the Saudi regime, using oil income."

Exactly.

I attended a lecture by Daniel Pipes, and while the main topic was "The Middle East After Saddam: A Region in Transition", the topic of Wahhabism came up.

[Valin]

Something you might be interested in
The Mid East And Foriegn policy (note scroll down to page 6)
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:E9Z4EjUrqasJ:lincolnne.com/nonprofit/nhc/Magazine2003.pdf+%22The+Wheel+of+Bin+laden%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Here is the realtime lecture
http://net.unl.edu/newsFeat/ent_friedman_02.html
(note ff to about 16 min for the start of the lecture)

As with most things from Friedman some are good(IE I agree with him) and some are leftist %$&^*(IE I don't agree with him)

And yet one more note it's about an hour.

[Celtman]

80% of the world's Muslims are NOT Arabs, yet nearly 100% of the problem with Muslims is centered in the Middle East...inside the Wahhabi sphere of influence.

      Then - it's your belief that there are no problems with Muslims in Nigeria, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Somalia, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Iran, or Chechnya?

[Frank_2001]

The chart looks good...that was an good article as well.