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MISSING OUT: Poor families face the reality of no tax rebate
The Grand Rapids Press ^ | Wednesday, June 04, 2003 | Ted Roelofs

Posted on 06/04/2003 4:47:05 PM PDT by FourPeas

MISSING OUT: Poor families face the reality of no tax rebate

Wednesday, June 04, 2003

By Ted Roelofs
The Grand Rapids Press


With six children to look after, a broken-down van and an annual income of about $15,000, Kalala Palmer figures she could use a break.

She shops at Goodwill for clothes for her kids and buys them new shoes only on their birthdays. She struggles to pay the YMCA membership she hopes will keep them off the streets.

The 26-year-old Grand Rapids resident also is among millions of working-poor families left out in the cold by the $350 billion tax cut signed in May by President Bush.

"It hurts, but when you've been poor as long as I've been, you just deal with it," Palmer said. "What do you have to do to get on top?"

It's a question under debate this week in Congress, as politicians come under fire for omitting working-poor families from the $400-per-child tax credit going to much of middle-class America.

According to analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the tax cut measure leaves families earning up to $26,625 a year with no tax credit. That affects 8 million children.

At the same time, $400-per-child rebate checks are expected to be in the mailboxes of millions of middle-class households by July.

Though Bush officials defended the measure, it is a void some Republicans are looking to fill before it becomes campaign ammunition for the Democrats.

Senate Finance Committee chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, introduced a provision Monday to expand the number of families eligible for per-child tax credits -- and to increase the size of those credits -- as part of a broader effort to make the middle-income child credit permanent.

Grassley's proposal would cost up to $90 billion over 10 years.

In contrast, Sens. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, introduced legislation to aid the same poor families, at a 10-year cost of $3.5 billion.

Bush aides say the measure signed by the president May 28 is fair, because low-income families like that of Kalala Palmer pay no income tax. White House spokesman Ari Fleisher said poor and minimum-wage families receive government benefits in other ways, through programs such as food stamps, Medicaid and earned income tax credits.

"By actually forgiving all income taxes and then giving people money beyond that, it's not the same way other people on the income scale are treated," Fleisher said.

U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Holland, agrees.

"Tax reform is not about payments to the working poor," Hoekstra said. "Per-child tax credit is exactly that. It is a credit against liabilities owed to the federal government."

Hoekstra said he is willing to consider extra help for the working poor but would make no promises.

"If there are certain people in the Senate that want to make direct cash payments to the poor, then we should have that discussion. I don't know whether or not I would vote for it."

But U.S. Rep. Vern Ehlers, R-Grand Rapids, believes Congress ought to revisit the issue.

"I think it's a reasonable sort of thing to do," Ehlers said.

Though working-poor families might not qualify for a tax credit because they pay no income tax, Ehlers thought it reasonable to give them some help, too.

"Since the purpose is to help people with children, then it makes sense to be sure it applies to everyone who has children."

Though her circumstances are anything but easy, Kalala Palmer tries to find the humor in life to keep her spirits up.

She recalled a recent discussion with a friend, who informed her that Congress was going to pass tax breaks for individuals who get stock dividends.

"What in the world is that?" she said of stock dividends, starting to laugh. "I ain't got no stock. There's no way I got that stuff. You got to laugh about this stuff because it hurts too much to be crying."

Until January, Palmer worked as a nurse's aide, sometimes working double shifts to try to make ends meet. Then she became worried about her oldest son, Terrell, whom she feared was getting into trouble on the streets.

She quit her job to keep an eye on him, and now earns money making clothing and doing alterations out of her home. Her aunt pitches in to help with child care, and Palmer also gets a federal subsidy to pay most of her rent.

On the wall in her dining room, she keeps a series of sayings she posted at the suggestion of her church pastor. They include such sayings as, "Be Kind to Each Other" and "No Shouting to Each Other," and one reads: "The Palmer name is a good name and we are good people."

Outside her house, Palmer looks at her 1989 Chevy Astro van, with sagging suspension, rusty doors that don't open and a large dent on the right side. She muses what it would be like to get a better car.

"If I had a car and a nice house, I wouldn't know what to do. One day, all these rainy days are going to end."



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To: bethelgrad
I am a full time student with a wife and two kids. I live on about that much. I'm baring my soul here folks so please understand my reluctance to share this. Not only do I get all my federal and state back during tax season, the child credits make it so that I get more back than I paid to begin with. No I won't be getting a rebate. But I am getting back more than I paid anyway. How could I ever complain?

I must congratulate you for being BOTH a student and a conservative!...the majority of students seem to be indoctrinated into socialistic liberalism. How could you complain?--Answer: by joining the majority of liberal students and instructors.

61 posted on 06/04/2003 9:11:14 PM PDT by Susannah (Veterans...the most treasured and endangered ones)
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To: katze
Well, you've got a point as to the six kids, but plenty of "traditional" families whose adult heads post here, and you'd get in severe trouble with them if you suggest they limited to 3 or 4. It's possible the kids all had one or two fathers, maybe there's some abandonment or death in this situation.

I stand by my comment on working. An awful lot of women in her situation have simply opted for the welfare route. At least these kids will have a role model of their primary parent modeling the dignity of work. I see your point on taking care of others kids, that was the purpose behind my point about child tax credits. Why should procreation be a tax-subsidized activity?

Sorry to hear about your illness, I send my best wishes for your day-to-day comfort. Surely, from your description, you have earned the right to some peace of mind during this trying time.

62 posted on 06/04/2003 9:11:19 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: FourPeas
There really are people who screw up too much to be saved. But that really has nothing to do with tax cuts because this women pays no taxes. Tax CUTS are not judged by what proportion goes to who, the tax SYSTEM is judged by what proportion is paid by who. Changes in taxes could either make the overall system less fair or more fair. It's not incumbant upon Republicans to hand out money to poor people just because they happen to think people who make more money are paying too much. This ought to be easy to understand.
63 posted on 06/04/2003 9:20:22 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: FourPeas
Anyone who has six children while working minimum wage deserves to be in jail in my view.
64 posted on 06/04/2003 9:22:07 PM PDT by Capitalism2003
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To: Vinnie
"...and a 30% tax cut for those making $15,000 or less!" Oh, heck, why don't we give them a 40% tax cut?
65 posted on 06/04/2003 9:37:37 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Jorge
Those who pay no taxes should get a 50% tax cut. No, make that 60%.
66 posted on 06/04/2003 9:40:03 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: takenoprisoner
BTW, a 50% tax cut to somebody whose net tax was negative $2000 would change their net tax to negative $1000. I wonder if the Republicans could suggest that perhaps these people don't want a 'tax cut'?
67 posted on 06/04/2003 9:47:12 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: FourPeas
The person who wrote this has serious issues with reporting facts--it is difficult to cut taxes for people who aren't paying taxes!!! This article is a pathetic piece of propaganda.
68 posted on 06/04/2003 9:50:51 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"The practice of using children as hostages to get money from people who work is leading us down the road to full-blown socialism at high speed"

Better than going down the road to hell for killing babies.

Just pass a law, and make it CLEAR, that once you are on welfare, NONE of your benefits will EVER increase by so much as a dime, no matter how many more kids you have. Murdering unborn babies is not an answer to ANY problem.
69 posted on 06/04/2003 10:01:44 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: FourPeas
A women wit 6 kids and a broke down van by the river. Man dats puthetic! Hey Brandeen! I told you the hole in duh condum trick would pay off! Now we is gettin a check fer each of our kids from different mommas and daddys! Where's Tifffany, Heather, Cody, Dylan, Dermot, Jordan,Taylor, Brittney, Wesley, Rumour, Scout, Cassidy, Zoe, Chloe, Max, Hunter, Kendall, Kaitlin, Noah, Sasha, Morgan, Kyra, Ian, Lauren, Q-Bert, Bill? Tell em Duh gubberment handin out welfare checks again!
70 posted on 06/04/2003 10:50:22 PM PDT by Bommer (Tom Dasshole is a Domestic Enemy!!!)
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To: FourPeas
What is so hard to understand about a tax cut cutting the taxes of those who pay them not being a hand-out to those who don't pay taxes? >>>>>>

Twenty-six with 6 kids.....YIKES.....and as usual she too, has a *sad* story, and needs MORE MONEY. I notice she doesn't mention she (and SIX kids) probably qualify for "earned income credit" EVERY YEAR. So on 15k per year, she pays NO TAXES, but ALWAYS gets a refund. Plus she's getting free housing, and no doubt food stamps, free healthcare, and most utility Co's offer help for elderly, or when kids are involved.

As usual these sob stories never include ANY info on Dad (or Dad's) or any mention of CHILD SUPPORT. So looks like it's left to the taxpayers to support her SIX kids. Hopefully someone will donate lot's of birth control her way, cause she's young enough to bring at least SIX MORE kids into her shabby world, but I sure hope NOT.



71 posted on 06/05/2003 12:57:11 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: evaporation-plus
I'm still trying to figure out why I won't get a credit for
my 17 year old son.... >>>>>>>

Me too......seems gov't (IRS) snuck in somewhere and decided that a 17 year old was not a "child" anymore......but don't let him get caught with a cigarette (yuk!) because gov't has hefty fines for a 17 year old "minor" in possession of tobacco. A 17 year old *child* cannot enlist without parents permission.

Then when your an *adult* (age 18) you MUST (by law) register with selective service. An adult (age 18) may now register to vote. Then back to 17, you CAN BE charged as an adult, if the crime is serious enough. Parents can also be sued for damages occured by their 17 yr. old "child".

SHEEESH....our gov't is sooooo screwed up....half of their own depts. say a 17 yr. old is an *adult*, and the other half claim he's still a kid........go figure
72 posted on 06/05/2003 1:28:33 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: henderson field
Those who pay no taxes should get a 50% tax cut. No, make that 60%.

LOL!

73 posted on 06/05/2003 3:40:17 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: FourPeas
Let's not forget that in just a few years her offspring will begin producing another generation of welfare recipients.
74 posted on 06/05/2003 5:16:59 AM PDT by Uncle Sausage
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To: hunter112
She quit her job to keep an eye on him, and now earns money making clothing and doing alterations out of her home.

No ---she isn't at least working ---she quit working to be a stay at home mom, it looks like she doesn't have income from working but wants her "fair share" of the tax refund.

It's sad to see that even Republicans are considering giving those who didn't pay tax in the first place some free money. This isn't a poor working woman --- and I wonder how many of the fathers ever paid their child support.

75 posted on 06/05/2003 5:29:28 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: supercat
I thought people making $15K/year were ineligible for most of the handouts available to those making $0/year. Does anyone have specifics?

The article mentions the federal government paying for her rent, at $15,000 with 6 kids, you're going to get a huge stack of food stamps and I believe you easily qualify for WIC. 6 kids will get you food stamps even if you have close to $40,000 a year income. Plus her job is working out of her house making clothing and doing alterations ---how much need is there in that? You still get Medicaid at that low an income. The article is trying to portray her as a working poor but it does admit she quit her nurse's aide job to be a stay-at-home mother ---she used the excuse her son was getting into trouble.

76 posted on 06/05/2003 5:35:44 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Coffee_drinker
I am willing to bet with the Child Income Credit, we pay her.
77 posted on 06/05/2003 5:36:45 AM PDT by dpa5923 (More than a man, less than a god.)
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To: FourPeas
With six children to look after, a broken-down van and an annual income of about $15,000

She sounds likea religious honest overwhelmed woman. But what was she thinking having 6 kids on 15,000 a year. To her $400 a child is welfare plain and simple.

78 posted on 06/05/2003 5:40:13 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
many reasons why I'm absolutely 100% pro-choice and in favor of public funding of abortions.

I'm not ----he choices should be before the conception ----she could choose to keep her legs together once in a while or use some form of birth control. If she can't afford kids, then her other choice would be to put them up for adoption so that there would be some chance of them learning responsibility and how to hold onto a job. How does a 26 year old with so many small children even find the time to be out man-hunting? She apparently has the time and money for "dating" but can't manage to work because then she needs to watch her children.

79 posted on 06/05/2003 5:43:09 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: supercat
Here are Michigans income elibility limits for Food Stamps ---which would likely be the same for CHIP/Medicaid, WIC and many of the other welfare programs.

http://www.lsnm.org/foodstamps.html
80 posted on 06/05/2003 6:29:25 AM PDT by FITZ
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