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Washington Post | 06/02/03 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 06/03/2003 8:54:13 AM PDT by Believer 1

To: Friends

From: Gary L. Bauer President American Values

Date: Monday, June 2, 2003

Christian Terrorism?

It took the Washington Post less than 48 hours to link accused Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph with Christianity. This is the same Washington Post that downplays the growing evidence that the Washington, D.C. snipers were driven by their Islamic faith. An article on page 3 of the Post this morning, under the headline, "Is Terrorism Tied to Christian Sect?" heavily quotes Professor James Aho of Idaho State University. Professor Aho tells the Post that if Christians take umbrage at the juxtaposition of the words "Christian" and "terrorist," "that may give them some idea of how Muslims feel when they constantly hear the term 'Islamic terrorism.'" Professor Aho goes on to assure us that "every major world religion has people who have appropriated the label of their religion in order to legitimize their violence."

Is the professor really this ignorant? Assuming Eric Rudolph committed these crimes, he cannot find one word in the teachings of Christ to justify them. Nor will he find any theological leader of any branch of Christianity willing to defend his criminal conduct. No Christian neighborhoods burst into celebration at the news of the bombings. Nor are Christian children being taught that if Rudolph had died in his attacks he would be a "martyr" welcomed into heaven.

The contrast with radical Islamic teachings couldn't be more stark. Each terrorist act against Christians and Jews by those acting in the name of Islam is excused by countless Islamic leaders, theologians, imams, and philosophers. Schools are named after jihad bombers. And there are plenty of verses in the Koran cited to justify the murderous attacks of Islamic "warriors." Do you see the difference, Professor Aho?


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To: PenguinWry
See my last post. The sword will be used again when Jesus returns, it is a reference to God's Word.

and there isn't any reference to "speaking of killing infidels". Still Clueless.

243 posted on 06/05/2003 9:19:59 AM PDT by DeathfromBelow
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To: PenguinWry
It does say in Isaiah that Satan believes Jesus is the Christ. It says Satan will do certain things to and because of the Messiah, Satan does those things to Jesus because he believes Jesus is the Christ. He does them to no one else.

I am also certain Satan knew who it was that came down for the keys! *LOL* You are clueless about basic Christian concepts; yet you say you have read the Bible. Of course you have lied about the context and meaning of scripture already so nobody should be surprised.


By YOUR definition - the one you say is the only trustworthy definition.

Satan believes that Jesus is the Christ.

Is Satan a Christian?
244 posted on 06/05/2003 12:15:23 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: PenguinWry
I gave you the surrounding text Matthew 10:34

It says nothing about Christians killing infidels.
245 posted on 06/05/2003 12:17:30 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: PenguinWry
You said "If it's not in the Bible, it's a spurious claim."

Yet you say the only trustworthy definition of Christian is a online dictionary definition.

Which is true? Is the Bible the authority on the Christian faith and Christian or is the online dictionary?

You definition of a Christian is incomplete, the Bible (Christ's words) is the accepted authority on what is Christian (as you said "If it's not in the Bible, it's a spurious claim.") and what is not.

By the Bible's (Christ's words) standards, Eric Rudolph is not a Christian.

246 posted on 06/05/2003 12:23:38 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: Damocles
"Martin Luther used the Crusades as part of his impetus to produce his thesis, claiming the church should not be involved in organizing wars; that distinction should be left to secular princes".

Martin Luther? The heretic who hated the Church he had been a member of so long that he confessed, "when I pray to God I cannot conceal my hatred for the pope, and I pray that he go to hell". The Martin Luther who wrote a book in 1543 called "On The Jews and Their Lies", in which he wrote that he proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbid them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name. And that he wanted to "be rid of them" and requested that the government and ministers "deal with the problem". He requested pastors and preachers to follow his example of issuing warnings against the Jews. And who said in this book, "We are at fault in not slaying them." That Martin Luther? The Martin Luther who wrote: "Men were born to sin, so go and sin, and sin boldly". That one? The Martin Luther who swore on the altar of God to live a celebate life, but who broke those vows to marry an apostate Catholic nun who also broke her vows? That one? Luther was a mentally ill, raging nutcase who caused a massive division in the Church and led thousands of people to their deaths when he incited the German "Peasant uprising" and then left them totally abandoned to be crushed by German authorities. Like I said before, you need to read a book. (FYI, most scholars today, Catholic and Protestant, agree that the Crusades were fought primarily becuase of the Islamic defeat of the Byzantine Empire Army at Manzikert in 1071, and Islam's frightening history of expansionism. The Western world had nothing left to do with such barbaric pigs as the medieval Mohamedans but to take the offensive and keep them out of Europe. And if you ever do decide to study the Crusades, you will then find that the Crusades were nothing but a crushing defeat for Christians at the merciless hands of the Seljuk Turks and Arab Muslims. All this revised ranting about Christians going into Islam to kill and convert is the stupidest damn thing I've ever heard, and there is absolutely no historical record of this happening. After the First Crusade the Crusaders met with nothing but defeat after defeat. Who the he-l does a defeated army convert?

247 posted on 06/05/2003 1:17:51 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
Joined this late, but am glad to see "The Crusader" conducting a truth counter-offensive against the historical revisionism that has plagued current understanding of the Crusades--which themselves were a counter-offensive against a massive Islamic military conquest of what had been Christian lands. Christianity was the most common religion in the eastern Med region until they were conquered by Muslim armies. In Jerusalem and elsewhere the Muslims destroyed some churches, desecrated others, and turned some into mosques. Some Christians were killed, some enslaved, and others were converted to Islam(is it forcible if you see those that didn't convert a few miles down the road get slaughtered or forced to live as second class citizens?) Pilgrimages from Europe(which had been occurring regularly for centuries) were stopped--the more lucky of the pilgrims were turned back, the less fortunate were robbed, beaten, enslaved, or killed. Meanwhile, the Muslim armies continued to advance across North Africa, across the Strait of Gibraltar and into Europe proper. It was in these circumstances, augmented by a call for help from the eastern Church in Constantinople, that the Crusades were launched with the two goals of (in short) freeing the Holy Land and protecting the Christians in the east.

I disagree somewhat with the idea that the Crusades were a "crushing defeat"; although it is true that the Crusaders were ultimately unsuccessful in their goals. The Crusades were, however, successful in shifting the initiative to the Europeans and forcing the Muslims to stay on the strategic defensive for several centuries. Arguably, this prevented Islamic armies from conquering a divided Europe piecemeal and changing history. Bottom line, the Crusades were clearly a defensive reaction to Islamic expansionism, not--as some of the uneducated or PC indoctrinated of today believe--early European imperialism or an attempt to forcibly convert others to Christianity.
249 posted on 06/06/2003 6:53:11 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Believer 1
Professor Aho-put the emphisis on the "A" and his name fits him perfectly.
250 posted on 06/06/2003 7:01:28 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Tag line failed to show up.)
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To: mark502inf
"I disagree somewhat with the idea that the Crusades were a "crushing defeat"; "

I agree with you, the Crusades were effective in keeping Islam at a safe distance from Western Europe. The reason that I said the Crusades were a "crushing defeat" was specific to a FR member's allegation that the Crusades were launched to subject Islam and convert them to Chrisitianity. I was trying to point out to him that militarily, (after the First Crusade), there were no lasting military victories and no vast military occupations of land that could have facilitated the "forced conversions" he dreamed up. Mostly the Crusaders settled for taking a few strategic areas to set up defensive positions, build defensive castles, and protect from a rear attack of supply lines to Jerusalem. The First Crusade began with approx. 500,000 Crusaders and ended up with only around 15,000 after the many battles and trecherous trek took their toll -- these estimated 15,000 took Jerusalem against a vastly greater number of defenders. But 15,000 men was barely enough to hold and defend Jerusalem, let alone go out and force conversions on Islam. It's remarkable to me how many people today understand the Crusades as an attempt by Christendom to conquer nations and convert them by the sword, when quite the opposite was true; it was a completely defensive thrust to prevent Islam from furthering their bloodthirsty conquests into Europe and to open a safe route for Christians to pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

251 posted on 06/07/2003 9:33:35 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: PenguinWry
Eric Rudolph is apparently YOU'RE KIND OF CHRISTIAN

I have stated repeatedly that Eric Rudolph is NOT a Christian.

Even your simple insults make no sense.

Stop being pissed at G_d and take responsibility for yourself.

252 posted on 06/10/2003 4:38:13 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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