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To: 2timothy3.16
No Christian sect or church believed in the "rapture idea" until the late 1800's.

The "rapture idea", a doctrine not taught by Christ Himself or his apostles, disciples, evangelists, or bishops for the first 1,600 years of theological history, suddenly appeared as a doctrinal innovation in the late 1800's. It may have been a reaction to the industrial revolution, or a reaction to modernism, or communism, or socialism. But it is definitely a relatively new belief.

Fascinating...
31 posted on 06/03/2003 4:57:57 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer
not taught by Christ Himself or his apostles

I thought Revelation was written by John?

34 posted on 06/03/2003 5:09:33 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: TheGeezer
But it is definitely a relatively new belief.

No, it isn't. All the info was in the New Testament the whole time. There may have been a recent emphasis, but it's not some new invention.

Just off the top of my head, what about the verses in the New Testament that talk about two women grinding flour--one will be gone and one will be left? That isn't even in Revelation, but somewhere else in the New Testament.

42 posted on 06/03/2003 5:30:33 AM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: TheGeezer
OK, I found the relevant passages. Jesus DID talk about the end times, in Matthew, chapter 24:

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[6] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Here is the link to Matthew, Chapter 24. If the link doesn't work, of course you can look it up in your own Bible.

46 posted on 06/03/2003 5:41:57 AM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: TheGeezer
The "rapture idea", a doctrine not taught by Christ Himself ...

Sorry, but you are wrong. It was the Lord Himself that spoke these words to the Apsotle John who recorded them:

Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev. 3:10

57 posted on 06/03/2003 6:20:10 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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