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To: TheGeezer
not taught by Christ Himself or his apostles

I thought Revelation was written by John?

34 posted on 06/03/2003 5:09:33 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
not taught by Christ Himself or his apostles

I thought Revelation was written by John?

It was, but the Rapture (if by this term we are all agreed we are referring to a specifically pretrib Rapture) is not taught there. The gathering of the saints at the Second Coming is, but in every instance where the timing of the Second Coming is given in relationship to the Abomination of Desolation in Scripture, the Bible teaches a post-Great Tribulation (though pre-Day of the Lord) Coming.

The Geezer, unless I misunderstand, is simply pointing out that until 1830, there is no explicit teaching of a Rapture that comes before the Great Tribulation and 70th Week anywhere in the writings of any theologian, in the Bible or out. Even the best pre-tribbers have to rely on arguments of silence and an overly symbolic approach in order to "prove" their position.

Grant Jeffrey tried to show that the Early Church Fathers believed in pretrib in his book Apocalypse, and for an essay that he wrote for the Raging Into Apocalypse anthology, but he took them out of context and edited them to make them fit. Don't take my word for it. The ECF's writings are available for free on a number of websites. Look up the quotes yourself.

71 posted on 06/03/2003 10:40:49 AM PDT by Buggman (Stephen King has forgotten the face of his Father)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
It was. But Christ's teaching certainly affected what John wrote, since John was an apostle. John would not have written anything Christ did not tell him to write. Additionally, Christ would not contradict Himself.

Regards
81 posted on 06/04/2003 4:48:30 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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