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To: Howlin; Spunky; Jackie-O; runningbear; All
Read section 253 again.

253. In any case not described in Section 250, 251, or 252 in which one person feloniously and intentionally kills another, any acquisition of property, interest, or benefit by the killer as a result of the killing of the decedent shall be treated in accordance with the principles of this part.

Section 251 is the joint tenancy section. It is NOT subject to Section 254 and the final judgment or conviction. Sec. 251 just says if one kills the other he can't take the property. Says nothing of a conviction being necessary, leading me to believe that all joint tenancy assets are effectively frozen until the matter is resolved.

307 posted on 06/02/2003 5:59:42 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Says nothing of a conviction being necessary, leading me to believe that all joint tenancy assets are effectively frozen until the matter is resolved.

That's what some of the legal experts have said on tv, that this property is in legal limbo now. It's not going anywhere...

317 posted on 06/02/2003 6:09:02 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: All; RGSpincich; Howlin; Jackie-O; runningbear
253.In any case not described in Section 250, 251, or 252 in which one person feloniously and intentionally kills another, any acquisition of property, interest, or benefit by the killer as a result of the killing of the decedent shall be treated in accordance with the principles of this part.

RGSpincich, I read the above section, 253, to mean (any situation that is not covered) in Section 250,251, or 252 shall be treated in accordance with the principles of those sections.

Therefore, I still believe the following section would apply

254. (a) A final judgment of conviction of felonious and intentional killing is conclusive for purposes of this part.(b) In the absence of a final judgment of conviction of felonious and intentional killing, the court may determine by a preponderance of evidence whether the killing was felonious and intentional for purposes of this part. The burden of proof is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was felonious and intentional for the purposes of this part.

Therefore the above part a final judgement does not affect the rights of someone who purchased the property from the killer.

255. This part does not affect the rights of any person who, before rights under this part have been adjudicated, purchases from the killer for value and without notice property which the killer would have acquired except for this part, but the killer is liable for the amount of the proceeds or the value of the property.

IMO since California is a community property state and regardless if Scott killed Laci, half of the property still belongs to him.

What would be the point in not allowing him to sell it now? Laci's half would still go into probate so Scott will not benefit from it no matter if it is sold now or after he is convicted.

In the long run half of the estate is still his.
Are there any California lawyers out there who can interpert the exact meaning of these codes for us?

379 posted on 06/02/2003 7:06:29 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: RGSpincich
Section 251 is the joint tenancy section. It is NOT subject to Section 254 and the final judgment or conviction. Sec. 251 just says if one kills the other he can't take the property. Says nothing of a conviction being necessary, leading me to believe that all joint tenancy assets are effectively frozen until the matter is resolved.

You need to look at Section 254 - it sets up the standards by which the Probate Court can determine whether or not one has feloniously and intentionally killed the other for the purposes of the prohibition on inheritence.

254. (a) A final judgment of conviction of felonious and intentional killing is conclusive for purposes of this part.
(b) In the absence of a final judgment of conviction of felonious and intentional killing, the court may determine by a preponderance of evidence whether the killing was felonious and intentional for purposes of this part. The burden of proof is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was felonious and intentional for the purposes of this part.

Paragraph (b) only applies in a situation like OJ's - he did not get convicted, but was determined to be liable for the killing by preponderance of the evidence in the wrongful death suit.

Absent a conviction or a court ruling under 254(b), Scott can do with his half of the community property what he wishes. An accusation and indictment is not a final judgement of conviction or a 254(b) ruling.

383 posted on 06/02/2003 7:11:39 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: RGSpincich
I understand since no death certificate has been issued it can not be sold.
602 posted on 06/04/2003 9:52:06 PM PDT by joybelle
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