[sweetliberty]

Sounds to me like you think the man has no choice. He is ruled by his hormones and therefore cannot make a choice. That is BS. It may not be an easy choice, but if a man wants to avoid responsibility for unwanted children then he needs to make the choice to keep it in his pants. And the best part, it is 100% fool proof.

[garbanzo]

But the woman has more choices than the man - that's what all the feminists tell us at least. If women want choice ("our bodies, our choice" sound familiar?) then with it comes responsibility.

[Dark Knight]

>> Sounds to me like you think the man has no choice. He is ruled by his hormones and therefore cannot make a choice. That is BS. It may not be an easy choice, but if a man wants to avoid responsibility for unwanted children then he needs to make the choice to keep it in his pants. And the best part, it is 100% fool proof.<<

So here is the real test. If the woman committed fraud and just named the man to be the father, should he still be responsible for the child ad infinitem? Even through divorce and wife's remarriage to biological father?

30% of the children are not parented by the father they think they are. Only the women involved can perpetrate that fraud. Who should pay then?

Dk

There are women and men both that are evil and vile (anagrams). We need to take a step back and look at what we are doing. The least effective way of controlling a person is governmental. The most effective is personal.

The circles are expanded, according to the person and each level is progressively less powerful.

Personal
Close ties, family and close friends
Organisations church, cirle of friends, etc.
Local government
Federal Government
International fantasy governments

[dozer7]

"Sounds to me like you think the man has no choice. He is ruled by his hormones and therefore cannot make a choice. That is BS.
It may not be an easy choice, but if a man wants to avoid responsibility for unwanted children then he needs to make the choice to
keep it in his pants. And the best part, it is 100% fool proof."

Ever thought about keeping your gash covered. Your zipper should work just like mine. Part A cannot meet part B without your acceptance. Take some responsibility for your lack of zipper action and then allow us guys to take responsibility. Most of the guys I know would raise that kid once you pop them out.