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To: Antoninus
The great churches often took centuries to build, while they were beautiful works they can not compare to the ancient engineering where roads and acquaducts went through mountains and over gorges. In Rome entire cities with sewers and plumbing were built as well harbours and other infrastructure. Only in painting did the Rennaissaance ever surpass Rome.
240 posted on 05/31/2003 4:48:35 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
I don't know about the painting even- the Odysseus paintings were fairly impressive, as well as some of the finer details I saw in the Villa at Oplontis.
242 posted on 05/31/2003 4:50:02 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ffusco
In Rome entire cities with sewers and plumbing were built as well harbours and other infrastructure.

As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day."

The Renaissance lasted roughly 200 years from 1350 to 1550. Rome lasted from 753 B.C. to 475 A.D.

Anyway, the achievements of Rome would pale if you would compare any 150 year period in its history to the achievements made in the Christian Reformation.

256 posted on 05/31/2003 5:57:08 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ffusco
The great churches often took centuries to build, while they were beautiful works they can not compare to the ancient engineering where roads and acquaducts went through mountains and over gorges. In Rome entire cities with sewers and plumbing were built as well harbours and other infrastructure. Only in painting did the Rennaissaance ever surpass Rome.

Of course, the aqueducts and roads were built in 72 hours, right? And the great cathedrals can just be passed off as "beautiful works" while ignoring that they are glaring testaments to the fact that the infrastructure and learning necessary to build them must have existed. And of course, the Romans had better ships, armor, weapons, and medicine than the High Middle Ages, right?

Look, I love classical civilization. I love ancient Rome and Roman history. Nothing thrilled me more than visiting the Pantheon or the Roman Forum, or the Basilica of Maxentius. But when you try to exalt Imperial Rome at the expense of the High Middle Ages, I have to beg off. The growing PC tendency to vilify/denigrate the achievements of Christian Europe are a source of increasing irritation to me. I'd compare these to any Greco-Roman temple:


Chartres Cathedral, 13th Century


San Marco, Venice, 11th Century


Cathedral of Pisa, 12-14th Century


Santa Maria Cathedral, Sienna, 13th Century
258 posted on 05/31/2003 6:25:55 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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