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Horror at POW Sex Abuse Pics
The Sun ^ | Fri, May 30, 2003 | John Scott & Michael Lea

Posted on 05/30/2003 7:15:28 PM PDT by MattAMiller

THE young mum who uncovered the Iraqi PoW sex snaps scandal said last night: “I felt sick to the stomach at those pictures.”

Kelly Tilford, 22, called police after developing a film in her photo shop.

The shocking pictures — revealed by The Sun yesterday — showed male Iraqis apparently forced into sexual positions by their British captors. In another a prisoner was suspended by rope from a fork-lift truck driven by a laughing Brit.

Fusilier Gary Bartlam, 18, of Tamworth, Staffs, is being grilled by the Army’s top criminal investigator — amid fears the scandal is the tip of an iceberg.

Disgusted Kelly said she knew she had to call police after seeing the horrific scenes in Gulf War II snaps she had just developed.

Kelly said: “I immediately realised something terribly wrong had happened and something had to be done about it.

“I started shaking and was panicking in case the guy came back before I could raise the alarm.”

She spoke out last night as Bartlam, of the 1st Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was in custody.

Four snaps on Bartlam’s roll of 25 exposures shocked the mum-of-two.

ONE was apparently taken in a warehouse. It showed a man stripped at least to the waist and suspended high in the air by a rope attached to one of the forks on a fork-lift truck.

More rope bound him throughout the length of his body.

He was hanging horizontally and his frightened face was in close-up. A soldier driving the fork-lift truck could be seen in the background, staring at his victim and apparently laughing.

ANOTHER picture showed a pair of white legs and the head of a male Iraqi.

The hand of a man behind the Iraqi’s head appeared to be forcing him to perform oral sex.

The Iraqi was squatting and again appeared to be at least naked to the waist. The soldier’s face was not visible.

A THIRD picture showed a pair of bare backsides. One Iraqi man was on his knees on the floor with his body bent.

Another was pressed behind him, tightly moulding his body like a spoon in what seemed to be a sexual position.

THE FOURTH snap showed two naked Iraqis cowering on the ground as if thrown there.

Kelly, who has children aged two and eight months, said Fusilier Bartlam called at the Max Spielmann photo shop where she works in Tamworth, Staffs, on Wednesday.

The young soldier, who was home on leave after the war, left a roll of film to be developed into 7in x 5in prints within an hour.

She went on: “I went to the mini-lab. As you put the film through, you are meant to check the pictures on a screen to ensure they are printed properly.

“You have never got time to watch all of them, because you are inevitably doing something else. We had been very busy.

“I had already processed the films of one or two soldiers back from Iraq and had told them, ‘Congratulations, well done,’ when they came to collect their photos.

"But when I started cutting the negatives on this batch, I looked at one and noticed immediately that it seemed a bit strange. I took a closer look.

“At first appearance, it had seemed like soldiers having a laugh.

“Then I realised it was a half-naked Iraqi being hauled high into the air by a forklift truck while bound hand and foot.

“I saw the look on his face. He was petrified.

“I will never forget that terrible stare. I immediately thought, ‘That’s not right’.

“Then I saw some sexual pictures. One looked like an Iraqi PoW being forced to give a soldier oral sex. I think the Iraqi was naked — you could just see the top half of him and the bottom half of the soldier.

“There was also a close-up of the naked backsides of two Iraqis, as if they were simulating anal sex.

“Another shot showed two Iraqis lying naked on the ground as if they had just been thrown there. There didn’t seem anything wrong with the other photos. They were just pictures of Iraqi soldiers surrendering — the sort of thing you saw on the TV during the war.”

Kelly, who has only worked at the shop for eight weeks, said: “It should have cost the guy £5.99 but he never paid for those pictures in the end.

“I was worried and waited for my colleague to come back from lunch. She just took one look and said, ‘Oh my gosh — we have got to call the police’.

“We phoned our area manager to tell him what we were doing.

“The lad was due back any minute to collect his photos, so we agreed to tell him they were not ready because there was a problem with the machine.

“He came back before the police arrived. We told him the machine was not working and it would be another half an hour. “As I said that he blushed — as if he knew something was wrong. He stayed in the shop 15 to 20 minutes and I could not bring myself to look at him.

“I eventually said, ‘Look, we have got to get a technician out. If you want to call back’. I told him to leave his telephone number so we could call when the film was ready.

“He agreed and just as he was leaving, a police sergeant arrived. Fortunately it was a detective in plain clothes, so the soldier was none the wiser.

“There was nothing we could do at that stage because he had not seen the pictures.

“After the detective saw them, he contacted his office and we rang the soldier to say the film was ready for collection.

“When he came into the shop, the sergeant was waiting for him and called out his name. The lad said ‘Yeah’ and confessed to the copper that the pictures were his.

“The officer showed him his badge and took him through to the back of the shop. He went straight away. He didn’t struggle or anything.

“About half an hour later an unmarked blue car pulled up outside and they took him away. The police then came back later to take a statement from me about what I saw.

“The lad was in some of the pictures, but not all of them.

“I don’t know which photos he had taken and which had been taken of him, because some were such close-ups you could not see the faces of those involved.

Kelly added: “I don’t feel guilty about calling in the police. I know people who have been fighting in Iraq.

“I am as proud as anybody of what our forces did out there — but there are rules. “I would not want any of my friends to be treated like those Iraqis on the photographs. We are a great nation.

“But we would lose our self-respect and much more besides if we allowed ourselves and our troops to stoop this low.”

The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers served in Iraq with the 7th Armoured Brigade, the legendary Desert Rats of World War II fame. The regiment is based in Celle, Germany.

Major General Ken Perkins, The Sun’s military adviser, said last night: “This involves a breakdown in discipline going far beyond one or two soldiers.

“Individuals might occasionally get away with it unknown to their officers or NCOs.

“But there is something very wrong if a number can do it without their superiors knowing or discovering it.

“The Army has no place for NCOs and officers who condone such behaviour, or are too weak to prevent it.”

The controversy is the latest to hit British troops over their alleged behaviour in the Gulf.

Lt Col Tim Collins, former CO of the 1st Royal Irish Regiment, is being investigated over accusations he mistreated Iraqi civilians and PoWs.

The Bartlam and Collins inquiries are not connected.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britishtroops; dontaskdonttell; fotomat; genevaconvention; homosexualrape; homosexualsodomy; iraqiprisoners; itsjustsex; onehourphoto; oralsexisnotsex; photography; pow; putsomeiceonthat; rape; warcrimes
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To: Jacvin
For one thing I have a hard time believing that the true act was actually taking place and I hope the truth comes out and if the act truly happened he should be charged and never allowed to serve and wear a uniform again.As for the gay reference I really don.t care what this soldiers preference is .Just don.t force it on anyone else.Oh and by the way I am a mother of three and grandmother of two.Also straight.
41 posted on 05/30/2003 8:55:17 PM PDT by deJaz
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Let me play devil's advocate here...

Remember the video footage we all saw of Iraqis demonstrating how they were tortured in prisons? Iraqis would show how their hands were bound and they were strung up from the ceiling and given electrical shocks on various parts of their bodies. Remember seeing that on TV news footage?

It's possible that is what these photos are - demonstrations by Iraqis, of what they were forced to do by Saddam's thugs. It's possible that these British troops were merely documenting it for evidence.

Or not. But since we don't have the other side of the story, we don't know yet.
42 posted on 05/30/2003 9:05:36 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: deJaz
"I really don't care what this soldier’s preference is. Just don't force it on anyone else."

Well skip the football reference then. Gender noted.

The point is homosexual rape is pretty much committed by HOMOSEXUALS.

I have a feeling being tied to a forklift and the acts that followed weren't consensual so one must assume the “just don’t force it on anyone else” rule was not quite followed in this case.

However you might want to fly the “Gay and Lesbian task force” over to Iraq just to be sure.
43 posted on 05/30/2003 9:09:31 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: Ganymede
The executed prisoners in the Al Jazeera footage had their pants pulled down. That detail was not ever made the headline subject of the treatment of Allied POWs.

I agree that what is being discussed in these photos is against the Geneva convention. I just wish that the world knew what happened to the good guys.

44 posted on 05/30/2003 9:17:07 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: MattAMiller
“When he came into the shop, the sergeant was waiting for him and called out his name. The lad said ‘Yeah’ and confessed to the copper that the pictures were his.

“The officer showed him his badge and took him through to the back of the shop. He went straight away. He didn’t struggle or anything.

“About half an hour later an unmarked blue car pulled up outside and they took him away. "




Perhaps it's a minor point in the overall story but I am curious by what jurisdiction the police officer took the soldier into custody. No assault was committed in the UK, no extradition demand was issued from Iraq, nor was any army detainer order outstanding. Nor would the photos themselves be criminal since as described they show no more then can be seen on prime time British comedy shows.

Just a thought.
45 posted on 05/30/2003 9:21:13 PM PDT by tlb
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To: smith288
(Other than the leftist media and Hollywood) Who the Hell cares - even is true. The Euro media seem little bothered by images of Iraqi's dragging around our KIA's...
46 posted on 05/30/2003 9:27:41 PM PDT by GoShow
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To: saquin
Yep, and I was outraged.
47 posted on 05/30/2003 9:36:16 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: MattAMiller
The Iraqi's were just demonstrating what Saddam and his sons had been doing to them for the last, what, thirty years?
48 posted on 05/30/2003 9:39:51 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: MattAMiller
These allegations need to be seriously probed, and any guilty parties punished severely.
49 posted on 05/30/2003 11:45:04 PM PDT by lib-r-teri-ann
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To: lib-r-teri-ann
I think some guilty parties have already been "probed"...that is the problem.
50 posted on 05/30/2003 11:47:37 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Porterville
I think some guilty parties have already been "probed"...that is the problem.

Hehe....I was wondering how long it would be before someone found that a "probe" of this matter amusing. Still, I gotta wonder: were they ACTUALLY sexually abused or just taunted. Either way it sucks, but the difference in the offences is enormous.

51 posted on 05/30/2003 11:55:37 PM PDT by lib-r-teri-ann
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To: hole_n_one
"If you were in her (Tilford) shoes, what would you have done? "

I personally would've called the police too. (even though i know I'm not the person you were asking the question too)
52 posted on 05/31/2003 12:05:06 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: MattAMiller
These guy's should be burned.

This is inhuman. It's the EXACT SAME THING all of FR was up in arms about over Saddam and his "sex-torture" rooms and all that stuff.

It's no better when the coalition does it. They should really nuke these guy's and send a message that there's a world of difference between coalition members and the rest of the mideast, and that we can be completely trusted to police our own and do it justly.

53 posted on 05/31/2003 12:05:42 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Lawgvr1955
"This is just about sex. It does not have any effect on how the soldiers do their job. They should get back to their important work for the British people. We should move on. "

But if the Iraqis did this to our POWs would you say the same thing?
54 posted on 05/31/2003 12:07:54 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Jacvin
And whether or not the soldier was gay it was wrong either way. If they'd done it to female Iraqi's it would be equally wrong and horrible.
55 posted on 05/31/2003 12:10:33 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: blam
Wow, when even your mother is against you, you have a problem!
56 posted on 05/31/2003 12:12:07 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: tlb
"Nor would the photos themselves be criminal since as described they show no more then can be seen on prime time British comedy shows. "

I would think that photos of rape would be criminal of anyone who was part of the act. The followup story on the thread looks like they just escorted him to the military police to deal with.
57 posted on 05/31/2003 12:15:32 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: rwfromkansas
The Sun is one of the CONSERVATIVE papers. I believe what was written.
58 posted on 05/31/2003 12:16:41 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: MattAMiller
Unfortunately, with a third of a million military personnel in a war zone, there are going to be a very small but very real percentage of soldiers who are sick enough to do something like this, if they can get away with it. This is why conservatives fear a police state and total gun control. Just look at what teenage girls did to some of their peers at a hazing in a supposedly exclusive school. This kind of behavior from Coalition troops will and should be condemned and severely punished. They will not, however, be placed in charge of the whole country of Iraq, as was true of Saddam's Ba'ath [sic?]party.
59 posted on 05/31/2003 12:41:57 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: honeygrl
No I think you miss my point. I'm neither arguing for or against the proposition that a crime was shown in the photos. My question is more technical.

The photos apparently showed nothing more definite then partial nudity and the suggestion of sexual action. Since photos of partial nudity and suggested sex between adults aren't per se illegal ( ie-- grounds for immediate arrest ) in Britain, I return to my original question.

Normally in the absence of an extradition detainer, local police have no authority to arrest for crimes committed in another nation. For illustration think back to the US killer who fled to France and lived there for years until extradited last year. Until a competent legal or military authority issued a pickup order on this soldier, on what grounds did the policeman act ?
60 posted on 05/31/2003 1:49:56 AM PDT by tlb
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