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To: Remedy
It's telling that Marcus Tullius Cicero didn't even get an Honorable Mention. Crikey, when I took Latin in HS we had to translate Caesar's "Gallic Wars" as well as Cicero's "Republic". Guess they went out when Latin studies went out. But Cicero has my vote as the most important defender of the Republic ideal.
15 posted on 05/30/2003 12:06:53 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: widowithfoursons
I second your vote for Cicero.
22 posted on 05/30/2003 12:11:08 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: widowithfoursons
Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.), the Roman Stoic philosopher, said this concerning the natural law:

There is in fact a true law--namely, right reason--which is in accordance with nature, applies to all men and is unchangeable and eternal. By its commands this law summons men to the performance of their duties; by its prohibitions it restrains them from doing wrong. Its commands and prohibitions always influence good men, but are without effect upon the bad. To invalidate this law by human legislation is never morally right, nor is it permissible ever to restrict its operation, and to annul it wholly is impossible. Neither the senate nor the people can absolve us from our obligation to obey this law, and it requires no Sextus Aelius to expound and interpret it. It will not lay down one rule at Rome and another at Athens, nor will it be one rule today and another tomorrow. But there will be one law, eternal and unchangeable, binding at all times upon all peoples; and there will be one common master and ruler of men, namely God, who is the author of this law, its interpreter and sponsor. The man who will abandon his better self, and in denying the true nature of man, will thereby suffer the severest of penalties, though he has escaped all other consequences which men call punishment. Francis W. Coker, Readings in Political Philosophy (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1938), 151.

Chapter 11. How Plato Has Been Able to Approach So Nearly to ...

Certain partakers with us in the grace of Christ, wonder when they hear and read that Plato had conceptions concerning God, in which they recognize considerable agreement with the truth of our religion. Some have concluded from this, that when he went to Egypt he had heard the prophet Jeremiah, or, whilst travelling in the same country, had read the prophetic scriptures, which opinion I myself have expressed in certain of my writings.1 But a careful calculation of dates, contained in chronological history, shows that Plato was born about a hundred years after the time in which Jeremiah prophesied, and, as he lived eighty-one years, there are found to have been about seventy years from his death to that time when Ptolemy, king of Egypt, requested the prophetic scriptures of the Hebrew people to be sent to him from Judea, and committed them to seventy Hebrews, who also knew the Greek tongue, to be translated and kept. Therefore, on that voyage of his, Plato could neither have seen Jeremiah, who was dead so long before, nor have read those same scriptures which had not yet been translated into the Greek language, of which he was a master, unless, indeed, we say that, as he was most earnest in the pursuit of knowledge, he also studied those writings through an interpreter, as he did those of the Egyptians,—not, indeed, writing a translation of them (the facilities for doing which were only gained even by Ptolemy in return for munificent acts of kindness,2 though fear of his kingly authority might have seemed a sufficient motive), but learning as much as he possibly could concerning their contents by means of conversation. What warrants this supposition are the 152 opening verses of Genesis: "In the beginning God made the heaven and earth. And the earth was invisible, and without order; and darkness was over the abyss: and the Spirit of God moved over the waters."3 For in the Timæus, when writing on the formation of the world, he says that God first united earth and fire; from which it is evident that he assigns to fire a place in heaven. This opinion bears a certain resemblance to the statement, "In the beginning God made heaven and earth." Plato next speaks of those two intermediary elements, water and air, by which the other two extremes, namely, earth and fire, were mutually united; from which circumstance he is thought to have so understood the words, "The Spirit of God moved over the waters." For, not paying sufficient attention to the designations given by those scriptures to the Spirit of God, he may have thought that the four elements are spoken of in that place, because the air also is called spirit.4 Then, as to Plato’s saying that the philosopher is a lover of God, nothing shines forth more conspicuously in those sacred writings. But the most striking thing in this connection, and that which most of all inclines me almost to assent to the opinion that Plato was not ignorant of those writings, is the answer which was given to the question elicited from the holy Moses when the words of God were conveyed to him by the angel; for, when he asked what was the name of that God who was commanding him to go and deliver the Hebrew people out of Egypt, this answer was given: "I am who am; and thou shalt say to the children of Israel, He who is sent me unto you;"5 as though compared with Him that truly is, because He is unchangeable, those things which have been created mutable are not,—a truth which Plato zealously held, and most diligently commended. And I know not whether this sentiment is anywhere to be found in the books of those who were before Plato, unless in that book where it is said, "I am who am; and thou shalt say to the children of Israel, who is sent me unto you."

24 posted on 05/30/2003 12:12:22 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: widowithfoursons
Cicero was incredible. 'Advice to his nephew' should be required reading for young people, even in English translation. That's the great thing about Cicero, he spoke and wrote from high position, but as a common man. No kidding, he would be a great neighbor or mayor.
29 posted on 05/30/2003 12:13:54 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: widowithfoursons
These are available from Summit Ministries, dedicated to equipping young people to enter the university and stand on their own two-feet.

Understanding The Times: The Religious Worldviews of Our Day and the Search for Truth
David A. Noebel
Harvest House/1994
ISBN: 1565072685

The Battle for Truth
David A. Noebel
Harvest House/2001
ISBN: 0736907823

The Closing of the American Mind
Allan Bloom
Simon & Schuster/1987
ISBN: 0671657151

The Closing of the American Heart
Ronald H. Nash
Probe Books/1990
ISBN: 0945241119

Children At Risk
James Dobson & Gary L. Bauer
Word Publishing/1994
ISBN: 0849935849

Mind Siege
Tim LaHaye & David A. Noebel
Word Publishing/2001
ISBN: 0849916720

The Soul of the American University: From Protestant Establishment to Established Nonbelief
George Marsden
Oxford University Press/1994
ISBN: 0195070461

The Great Evangelical Disaster
Francis A. Schaeffer
Crossway Books/1984
ISBN: 0891073086

Seven Men Who Rule the World from the Grave
Dave Breese
Moody Press/1990
ISBN: 0802484484

Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences the Red Queen and the Grand Scheme
Judith A. Reisman
Institution for Media Education/1998
ISBN: 0966662407

Destructive Generation
Peter Collier & David Horowitz
Free Press/1996
ISBN: 0684826410

Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Gender on Campus
Dinesh D'Souza
The Free Press/1991
ISBN: 0029081009

Dictatorship of Virtue
Richard Bernstein
Vintage Books/1994
ISBN: 0679743988

Deconstructing the Left
Peter Collier & David Horowitz
Center for the Study of Popular/1991
ISBN: 0819183156

Tenured Radicals
Roger Kimball
Ivan R. Dee/1998
ISBN: 1566631955

The Disuniting of America
Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
W.W. Norton & Company, Inc/1998
ISBN: 0393045803

The Way Things Ought to Be
Rush Limbaugh
Pocket Books/1993
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See, I Told You So
Rush Limbaugh
Zondervan/1993
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Why Johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong
William Kirkpatrick
Simon & Schuster/1992
ISBN: 0671870734

Inside American Education: The Decline, the Deception, the Dogma
Thomas Sowell
MacMillan/1993
ISBN: 0029303303

Impostors in the Temple: American Intellectuals are Destroying Our Universities and Cheating Our Students of Their Future
Martin Anderson
Hoover Institute Press/1996
ISBN: 0817994424

The Soul of Science: Christian Faith and Natural Philosophy
Nancy R. Pearcey & Charles B. Thaxton
Crossway Books/1994
ISBN: 0891077669

Reason in the Balance: The Case Against Naturalism in Science, Law and Education
Phillip E. Johnson
InterVarsity Press/1995
ISBN: 0830819290

Slouching Towards Gomorrah
Robert H. Bork
Harper Collins/1996
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Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
Michael Denton
Adler & Adler/1985
ISBN: 091756152X

Darwin’s Black Box
Michael J. Behe
Free Press/1996
ISBN: 0684827549

Shattering the Myths of Darwinism
Richard Milton
Inner Traditions Intl Ltd/1997
ISBN: 0892817321

America’s Thirty Years War
Balint Vazsonyi
Regnery Pub/1998
ISBN: 0895263548

Cloning of the American Mind
B.K. Eakman
Huntington House Pub/1998
ISBN: 1563841479

I would add:
Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds
Phillip E. Johnson
Intervarsity Press; (August 1997)
ISBN: 0830813608

Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth: Why Much of What We Teach About Evolution Is Wrong
Jonathan Wells
Regnery Publishing; (January 2002)
ISBN: 0895262002

In the Beginning Was Information
Werner Gitt
Christliche Literatur-Verbreitung; (December 2000)
ISBN: 3893972552
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62 posted on 05/30/2003 12:30:49 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: widowithfoursons
I like Caesar too. I also like another of Tocqueville's books called The Old Regime and the Revolution. Shakespeare' Julius Caesar was required reading at my HS. Don't forget Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Its long but good.
169 posted on 05/30/2003 3:45:40 PM PDT by virgil
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