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The 'gay' truth: Kevin McCullough on homosexuality dominating American politics
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, May 30, 2003 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 05/29/2003 11:42:24 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: ArGee
Argee, this argument is just so disingenuous and so loaded with logical fallacies that I see I simply can't reason with you.

You've stated this as if someone wants to create an entirely homosexual society, which of course could not exist. But that's not at all what we're talking about and you know that. But to the extent that you're trying to misrepresent the facts simply to buttress an unsupportable premise, you're simply being outright dishonest.

We're talking about a pluralistic society in which the 2 to 5 percent of the population that is homosexual is allowed to live in peaceful coexistance with the rest of society. Their numbers are insignificant and have no impact on your life, my life, or the continuation or demise of our society. To argue otherwise is sheer unbridled demogoguery.

Please don't insult my intelligence and the rest of FR's intelligence by arguing some stupid hypothetical that does not, has not, and will never exist in the real world.

Only in theory do you begin to make any sense. Sadly, the theory is silly and so is your reasoning.

221 posted on 06/03/2003 2:28:47 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: EdReform
Find one post of mine where I've ever advocated hate crimes legislation.
222 posted on 06/03/2003 2:30:38 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
"Find one post of mine where I've ever advocated hate crimes legislation."

I didn't accuse you of having ever advocated for hate crimes legislation. What I want to know is whether you agree or disagree with the following statement:

The "hate crimes" legislation that many in the homosexual community are pushing for is completely unnecessary.


223 posted on 06/03/2003 2:43:18 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: tdadams
Obviously you don't like it when your obfuscation is made evident to all. You can call it whatever you want, but when you use the same techniques on different threads I'm going to point out your history of similar behavior. To make it go away you can admit your opinion of the summary is based on ignorance of what the book actually says and you have no interest in knowing that the book actually says.

You can answer your own question... How many days, weeks or months are you going to continue your obfuscation?

How about telling us how providing you with the context of each summary is somehow dishonest?

I've given you plenty of opportunities to provide evidence to support your claim the summary is biased but you won't even try. Hey, I've even tried to support your claim but the information just doesn't exist. There is simply nothing I can find to support your position. And you, you don't even try and then you call my attempts to get you to answer an honest question, dishonest. Sheesh.

I appears you realize this and will do and say anything to avoid admitting your assessment of the summary was wrong. Completely wrong. And that's what is so bothersome. You don't seem want to admit a gay agenda exists despite the overwhelming evidence to the contray.

224 posted on 06/03/2003 3:06:56 PM PDT by scripter
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To: tdadams
Would you agree the summary of point #1 is an accurate summary of the book? I've provided the context for you here.

In that post I asked you if I should continue posting the context of the additional summaries and you said Please do but you never provided me with a number. I've asked, using your own words, which of the summaries are highly perjorative but you refuse to provide a number.

225 posted on 06/03/2003 3:16:18 PM PDT by scripter
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To: ArGee
tdadams knows my answer and he knows that if he answered in kind he would realize he has no basis for his position. That is, remain ignorant about what the book After the Ball actually encourages gays to say and do in order to push their agenda, which he has yet to admit exists.
226 posted on 06/03/2003 3:20:27 PM PDT by scripter
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To: mysterio
You can't understand being attracted to the somone of the same sex because you are not warped and perverted and sick. Just like you can't understand how someone could hurt a child or committ murder. Your inability to understand how someone could choose to be gay does not change the fact that they do make a choice to be gay.
227 posted on 06/03/2003 3:29:29 PM PDT by mrfixit514
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To: EdReform
I've stated in the past that I think it's unnecessary, although after debating with you, scripter, Remedy, and ArGee, I can certainly understand why gays feel persecuted and might feel the need for a hate crimes law.
228 posted on 06/03/2003 3:35:19 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: scripter
RE; 224, 225, 226

Yawn, yawn, yawn. You're the biggest bore on FR. You demand answers but refuse to answer any yourself. You hypocrite.

229 posted on 06/03/2003 3:37:57 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Excuse me as I have given you far more credit than you deserve. I've dropped hints and provided you with information to help you answer some questions yet you only respond with obfuscation. I know you like that word so I keep using it.

It's pitiful that you won't even answer the simple question in post 225.

I can't imagine you missed all the hints I've dropped, but if you really did, besides your poor comparison, my answer is very similar to Argee's answer, which is the answer you should have for yourself if you caught any hints. You'll probably act like you can't understand that answer.

230 posted on 06/03/2003 4:03:13 PM PDT by scripter
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To: kegler4
I was wondering who to thank for this. Dr. Laura is a screeching shrew and a hypocrite. Glad she's not on TV any more.

1) Was that an intentional pun?

2) How is Dr. Laura a "screeching shrew and a hypocrite?"

231 posted on 06/03/2003 4:19:42 PM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: tdadams; EdReform; Remedy; ArGee
I've stated in the past that I think it's unnecessary, although after debating with you, scripter, Remedy, and ArGee, I can certainly understand why gays feel persecuted and might feel the need for a hate crimes law.

Yet you don't provide a single example of how any one of us have persecuted gays. Which you can't do, and you won't do, because to you the ends justify the means. You'll do whatever it takes to push the gay agenda

232 posted on 06/03/2003 4:26:55 PM PDT by scripter
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To: tdadams
"I do not support gay rights, per se."

You state on your FR homepage that you "don't approve of homosexuality."

That seems to be a pretty broad statement. Which specific aspects of homosexuality do you disapprove of? Which specific aspects do you approve of? You do know that by not approving of (embracing) all aspects of homosexuality, you are considered a "hater" and a "homophobe" by a signifcant portion of the homosexual community, right?

233 posted on 06/03/2003 4:33:32 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: scripter
I don't know if my lawyer could make heads or tails out of that. I'm beginning to think you have genuine mental defect.
234 posted on 06/03/2003 4:47:40 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
So are you going to answer the simple question in post 225.
236 posted on 06/03/2003 4:55:59 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
You better make a damn quick retraction or my next phone call is going to be to my lawyer. There is no room for that kind of statement in any context whatsoever. That's pure libel of the most scandalous kind. You're a pathetic, immature asshole who can't win an argument by reason, logic or persuasion so you have to resort to a libelous assault on my character, calling me a criminal of the worst sort.

You're the lowest of the low.

238 posted on 06/03/2003 5:24:45 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
It got your attention didn't it. My point? Making a statement doesn't make it true. Just like your continued statements the summary of After the ball is biased against gays. There's no evidence for your statement just like there's no evidence for my example with you.
239 posted on 06/03/2003 5:32:19 PM PDT by scripter
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To: tdadams
I don't know if my lawyer could make heads or tails out of that.

I must admit it was a little long and convoluted. I won't provide any excuses.

Now to answer your question again which should remove any issues you have with answering mine:

Would you give an open-minded and reasoned consideration to an article titled "The Christian Agenda for America" by the American Athiest Organization?

Of course I undestand what you're trying to get at, but it falls far short. Why? Because I've provided you with the context behind the first of 62 summaries regarding After the Ball, and that context demonstrated the summary was accurate. For some reason you refuse to admit this fact and you refuse to provide a number to verify a second summary. That speaks volumes about your bias.

I've performed internet searches on the book and cannot find a single statement to support your position. Every single reference to the book supports my position. One would think if the book was incorrectly summarized there would be somebody screaming, somewhere. But, no, that isn't happening. So there is nothing to support your statement other than your feelings the summary is biased.

I wouldn't be surprised if a book similarly entitled The Christian Agenda for America does indeed exist, perhaps even written by an atheist or atheistic organization.

Would I give an open-minded consideration of the book? Perhaps. How do I know I'm right in what I believe? If I really wanted to know why I believe what I believe; I'd make sure of what I do believe. And in my endeavors I wouldn't purchase and read everything out there, but enough to make an informed decision. Of course if the book was crap as ArGee answered, I'd make sure everybody knew it. Yet not a single mention of that in any internet searches.

Now for some reason you appear to deny the existence of the gay agenda. As I see it, you have been desensitized and manipulated into your current thoughts on the gay agenda, and you don't seem to care that you're being used to further the gay agenda. You're too intelligent to fall for this stuff so I have to wonder what it is you're doing in furthering the gay agenda.

I can only speculate.

240 posted on 06/03/2003 5:32:24 PM PDT by scripter
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