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If abortion is murder why no punishment? The reason why is because the pro-lifers don't really believe it is a human being. Infanticide deserves equal punishment under the law. Equal crime deserves equal time.

Criminals are punished according to the crime. If this is a horendous crime against humanity akin to a holocaust, the law should reflect that. Should a woman at least be fined? even speeders get a fine? Drug dealers would get harsher punishment than a baby killer?

Your side is trying to convince people this is a holocaust remember?

Abortion will never be made illegal.

Unless these answers are addressed the other half of the population won't take your beliefs seriously. They see the anti-abortion crowd as a bunch of religious cult trying to force their beliefs.

If abortion is murder why no punishment? The reason why is because the pro-lifers don't really believe it is a human being.

This has to be one of the densest comments I've ever seen -as it's about ME. It's not unlike Mara Liasson's comments when she claims to know what the pro-life crowd "feels."

Which pro-lifer on this (or any other thread) claimed that they 'really didn't believe IT was a human being'?

Your bitter version of nihilism is seeping out again ... not only do I believe the baby is fully a human being and hiring a serial killer to off that alive individual should be criminalized unless to save the life of the woman. [She has every right of self-defense from the rare pregnancy that could likely kill her--like a tubal, and it is the new individual human being who is in charge of ALL the steps in her new lifetime begun at conception, like tricking the woman's body to provide life support, providing the life support while the new individual builds her own bory of oragns and size, and the labor to be born.]

So, what penalty for hiring a serial killer to off a child waiting to be born that is not endangering a woman's survival?... For the woman, accomplice to murder would be possible, accomplice at second degree manslaughter might be another possibility, with jail time and or mandatory sterilization, to prevent her doing the same criminal act in the future. [And before you irrationally holler 'enslavement', I did address forced pregnancy of rape, so the choice to be pregnant is where a woman's unalienable right of liberty is defined, not the specious right to hire a serial killer to off already alive, sensing individual human beings sequestered in her womb, sequestered there by her choice to expose herself to pregnancy.]

This proscription of abortion also would not be applied for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest--though I have yet to understand how incest isn't either rape or consensual sex-- (other rare occurrences), as long as the decision to end the pregnancy is made during the embryonic age of the newly conceived individual human life. And yes, I do believe states have every right to legislate such law and enforce it, without the central government (the Fed Judiciary) cancelling the right for the states as per violation of the tenth amendment.

That give you enough to become apoplectic over?

Your post, #311, was one of the single most moronic statements ever made on this forum. I really mean that.

If we were to apply your logic to other historical situations, then we could say...

...the reason slavery continued until 1865 was because the abolitionists didn't really believe that those people who worked all day in chains were actually enslaved.

...the reason Jim Crow went on until the 1960's was because blacks didn't really think it was racism.

Um, just wondering: Are you aware that the United States is not a dictatorship run by the National Right To Life Committee?

Abortion will never be made illegal.

Well, they said that about slavery and segregation, too.