Posted on 05/29/2003 12:41:09 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
I agree.
Many of your points are valid... but you're still missing something. So-called "public schools" aren't "our schools." They are government schools, run by an alliance of the NEA and educrats. We'll never win the war against such people until we stop fighting it with their language.
They want us to think that the schools are ours so that we'll join them in efforts to protect the schools, however illegimate. But collectively owned schools are, by definition, socialist. They don't belong to individual people. They belong to the state. So we must call them what they are: government schools. When we do so, we become more free in our minds to consider real private alternatives.
Otherwise, all the "reform" in the world will just end up protecting the state-dominated system.
On News/Activism 04/28/2003 11:02 AM EDT #38 of 58
Posted by Lady Eileen to winner3000 On News/Activism 04/28/2003 10:52 AM EDT #37 of 58
winner3000: Education reform and tort reform in my opinion are the most important domestic issues needed to strengthen America.
LE: In my opinion, the only education reform that will work is educational liberty, which is complete separation of the state from education. Vouchers, however better than the current regime, don't restore this liberty, because they still require the state to coercively extract money from taxpayers, including many who don't have children.
IMHO in an unrestricted voucher regime where parents would have true choice, a lot of the nuttiness in the public schools would disappear very quickly.
Posted by Lady Eileen to Republic If You Can Keep It On News/Activism 04/28/2003 10:45 AM EDT #36 of 58
Republic If You Can Keep It : Vouchers are our only hope.
Lady Eileen: I hope not, because that is the same as saying government, which got us into the present mess, is our only hope. That's because in every voucher system, government politicians decide who gets what, when, how much, etc.
This is not the same as parents keeping their own money and deciding how to spend it on their children's education. The state is still controlling the money and handing it out on its own terms. Sure, vouchers are better than providing only one local school alternative. But they are not freedom. And they are not the state acknowledging its usurpation of parental authority. So they are a small bandaid on a wound that won't heal without surgery.
If we are wise, we won't be distracted from what should be our goal of complete eduational freedom from the state by the siren song of vouchers.
You should be afraid...and you are right we have to be vigilent. SepSchool has a great link that address some of your concerns... some of their points are below or to read in its entirety click on :www.sepschool.org/misc/vouchers.html
What about tax-funded vouchers, tax credits, and charter schools?
While tax-funded vouchers, education or scholarship tax credits, and charter schools introduce sorely-needed competition into schooling, they have at least four serious flaws which outweigh their good side.
(This article will refer to vouchers. When all the camouflage is removed, these flaws are also inherent in universal tax credits, refundable tax credits, scholarship tax credits, and charter schools.)
1. Vouchers spread the dependency attitude to independent families currently paying for their children's education.
2. Vouchers obscure the difference between parents who are willing to sacrifice to send their children to a private school from those who are unwilling to sacrifice. This means private schools will lower their standards of who gets in.
3. By creating a flow of money from the state to private schools, vouchers pave a wide road for additional regulations and controls. "When you reach for the money is when they slip on the handcuffs."
A common control is to require voucher-redeeming schools to administer standardized tests. These tests, in effect, dictate the curriculum, as the private schools do not wish to have lower test scores than the "public" schools.
4. Other than expensive prep schools, private and religious schools that refuse to accept the voucher will lose a significant number of their students to voucher-redeeming schools. Many will face the choice of accepting the voucher and its controls or going out of business.
The net result of these flaws is that private and religious schools will become more and more like the "public" schools. In effect, vouchers and other schemes of using tax funds for education will kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs of private education.
Something very evil is going on here!
There's no other way around it. At the very least, this is "child abuse". People should be in jail for this sort of thing. If it were 40 years ago they would be - if they weren't lynched by the parents first!
Most Americans of Traditional Christian or Jewish Faith are to busy trying to "save" the sinking ship.
I repeat what we truly need is Separation of School and State not this phoney "Separation of Church and State".
Dakmar...
I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.
fC...
These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!
Dakmar...
Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.
God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.
452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar
All those who practice homosexual behavior must be considered child abusers and must be kept away from children
After all homosexuals don't reproduce, they recruit.
And lastly:
To the healthy person (heterosexual), sex is something they do
To the mentally ill person (homosexual), sex is what they are.
Wouldn't the acronym To B GLAD Day translate to "Transgender, Bisexual, Gar, Lesbian, Awareness Day Day"? Brought to you, no doubt, by the Department of Redundancy Department.
I think it is unkind to the homosexual to tell him he is "mentally ill". That's not true. He is a sinner, just like the rest of us. To read more about the real nature of "mental illness," click through to this article from Biblical Discernment Ministries: www.rapidnet.com. Excerpts, edited for brevity and clarity, are below:
The Myth Of Mental Illness
The terms mental disease, mental illness, and mental disorder are popular catch-alls for all kinds of problems of living, most of which have little or nothing to do with disease. As soon as a person's behavior is labeled "illness," treatment and therapy become the solutions. If, on the other hand, we consider a person to be responsible for his behavior, we should deal with him in the areas of education, faith, and choice. If we label him "mentally ill," we rob him of the human dignity of personal responsibility and the divine relationship by which problems may be met. (emphasis added)
Because the term mental illness throws attitudes and behavior into the medical realm, it is important to examine its accuracy. In discussing the concept of mental illness or mental disease, research psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey says: "The term [mental illness] itself is nonsensical, a semantic mistake. The two words cannot go together ... you can no more have a mental 'disease' than you can have a purple idea or a wise space...."
God created the human mind to know Him and to love, trust, and obey Him. In the very creative act, God planned for mankind to rule His earthly creation and to serve as His representatives on earth. Because the mind goes beyond the physical realm, it goes beyond the reaches of science and cannot be medically sick.
Since the mind is not a physical organ, it cannot have a disease. Though one can have a diseased brain, one cannot have a diseased mind, although one may have a sinful or unredeemed mind.
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