U.S. MULLED SERIES OF SANCTIONS AGAINST ISRAEL!!!!

MENL ^ | May 27, 2003 | MENL

[travelnurse]

U.S. Mulled Series Of Sanctions Against Israel WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The Bush administration has prepared a list of sanctions against Israel should it refuse to comply with a plan for a Palestinian state by the end of the year.

U.S. government and congressional sources said the list was prepared by the State Department and relayed to the National Security Council in April amid the administration's effort to press Israel to agree to the so-called roadmap. The roadmap, drafted by Washington as well as the European Union, United Nations and Russia, calls for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian war and the establishment of an interim state in 2003.

The sources said the State Department's proposed list of sanctions included an examination of the use of U.S. weapons in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel has employed such platforms as the AH-64A Apache helicopter, the AH-1G Cobra helicopter and the F-16 fighter-jet in air attacks on Palestinian insurgents.

"It's hard to overestimate the anger within the administration toward Israel regarding the delays in the roadmap," a congressional source close to the administration said. "The White House doesn't regard the roadmap merely as foreign policy. It sees the roadmap as a major element toward the reelection of the president."

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2003/may/05_28_1.html

[Jimmyclyde]

3. Chosen people rejected Christ the son of God as messiah hence broke the covenant with God. For that God take away the status of chosen people from them forever.

I thought Romans Chapter 11:25 might interest you...

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

And Jeremiah 31...

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

And Jeremiah 33:20....

Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; [Then] may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Tell me again where God has taken away his covenant from Israel?

[travelnurse]

3. Chosen people rejected Christ the son of God as messiah hence broke the covenant with God.

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God's covenant with the Chosen People, the Jews, stands forever.

Genesis: 15: (6) Abram believed the Lord, and He credited him as righteousness. (7) "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land and take possession of it". (18) On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "TO YOUR DESCENDANTS I GIVE THIS LAND, FROM THE RIVER OF EGYPT TO THE GREAT RIVER EUPHRATES - THE LAND OF THE KENITES, KENIZ-ZITES, KADOMONITES, HITTITES, PERIZZITES, RAPHAITES, AMORITES, CANAANITES, GIRGASHITES AND JEBUSITES."

God NEVER BROKE HIS COVENANT with the Chosen People, the Jews, and all Israel will be saved - See Romans Ch. 11 and Revelations.

[veronica]

It's patently clear that this unsourced article is not be swallowed whole, and all unsourced articles regarding the ME should be read with a jaundiced eye. They can usually be traced back to Arabists at the State Dept. :))

[travelnurse]

U.S. threatened sanctions if Israel blocked 'Roadmap'
***(Another source)***


SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Wednesday, May 28, 2003
The Bush administration has prepared a list of sanctions against Israel should it refuse to comply with a plan for a Palestinian state by the end of the year.

U.S. government and congressional sources said the list was prepared by the State Department and relayed to the National Security Council in April amid the administration's effort to press Israel to agree to the so-called roadmap. The roadmap, drafted by Washington as well as the European Union, United Nations and Russia, calls for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian war and the establishment of an interim state in 2003.

The sources said the State Department's proposed list of sanctions included an examination of the use of U.S. weapons in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.


Israel has employed such platforms as the AH-64A Apache helicopter, the AH-1G Cobra helicopter and the F-16 fighter-jet in air attacks on Palestinian insurgents, Middle East Newsline reported.
"It's hard to overestimate the anger within the administration toward Israel regarding the delays in the roadmap," a congressional source close to the administration said. "The White House doesn't regard the roadmap merely as foreign policy. It sees the roadmap as a major element toward the reelection of the president."

So far, the State Department has rebuffed efforts by pro-Arab lobbyists in Congress for the review. Officials said that so far they have not received evidence that U.S. weapons specifically targeted Palestinian civilians.

The threat of U.S. sanctions against Israel was relayed to a senior Israeli official, Dov Weissglass, through who the sources termed were individuals close to the White House. Over the last two months, Weissglass, an envoy of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, held several meetings in Washington with senior administration officials in an effort to revise the roadmap. The sources said Weissglass understood that the sanctions threat stemmed from White House officials and relayed the information to Sharon.

The sources said the Israeli acceptance of the roadmap has suspended any action on the list of proposed sanctions. But they did not rule out that the administration would reconsider should Israel fail to implement the roadmap over the next few months.

The State Department threat to examine the Israeli use of U.S. weaponry could suspend arms shipment to the Jewish state. Israel has ordered the AH-64D Apache Longbow helicopter and expects the first F-16I fighter-jets to arrive later this year.

Other proposed measures against Israel drafted by the State Department included the suspension of $9 billion in U.S. emergency aid. The aid comprises $8 billion in loan guarantees and $1 billion in a military grant.

The sources said the money would have been held up on grounds that Israel has not implemented economic reform demanded by the United States.

The sources said Bush has pledged to Arab allies that he will continue to remain involved in the implementation of the roadmap. They said Bush has also pledged that a Palestinian state will emerge by the end of the year.

"The president's involvement is the biggest deal," Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Richard Lugar, regarded as Bush's closest ally in Congress, said.

[veronica]

Do a search of World Tribune. They are wrong as often as they are right. My guess is that MENL pikced up the story there.

But what's the big deal anyway? As usual the Palestinians are blowing the deal before it even gets to stage 1. :)

The more things change the more they stay the same. ;)

[RusIvan]

Tell me again where God has taken away his covenant from Israel?+++

It is as the panishment for rejection the God-son Christ.
I was told long ago that it is somewhere in New Testament which is update of Old Testament. So the real truth is updated in Christianity after Judaism.
I'm not very teological. So I don't know for sure.

[travelnurse]

What's the big deal, you ask. When the US turns its back on Israel, the free ride is over.

You imply you don't believe the story, well I do. It's all over the web now if you do a search. I'm not posting another source just for you to continue questioning the source, because its obvious you have already made up your mind not to believe it.

[rb22982]

You proved my point again. Seriously, stick to talking with people with an IQ under 100 if you want to look at least half way intelligent. You really look silly doing it with people in the 4th deviant to the right.

[rb22982]

I don't like you. Never have. Good for you. Everyone's entitled to like whomever they want to like. You aren't on my favorite list either.

I think you're intellectually challenged,

Yes, most people with an IQ over 140, maintained well over a 4.0+ GPA in HS and 3.7 in college, began trading stocks at 14 with a broker, and at 21 am completely able to support myself no problem is considered someone intellectually challenged. I would love to see someone you would consider 'smart.' quite immature

Oh please, you are the one who resorts to name calling and belittling. Not me.

and have shown time and again that you're part of the malcontent, misfit and militant wing of FR.

And you've shown time and time again that you're nothing more than a Republican Cheerleader. And I'm not militant. All I ask is to reduce gov't and I'll be happy with Republicans and vote for them every time. I'm not asking for Harry Browne's platform to be instated cause it will never happy in this quasi-socialist loving country. You're only interested in expressing your personal opinions in the form of endless rants.

Yes 1-2 liners on maybe 3-5 posts a month are endless rants. /Sarcasm.

Boring. The fact you're incapable of comprehending what other folks have to say, shows a limited outlook of the world. Someday, you may grow up. Keep trying.

You have a hard time understanding that just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that don't comprehend what you are saying. They just disagree. Someday, you may inherit some intelligence. Keep trying.

[RusIvan]

God NEVER BROKE HIS COVENANT with the Chosen People, the Jews, and all Israel will be saved - See Romans Ch. 11 and Revelations. +++

It is in Old Testament which is accually the compilation of jewish books.
But New Testament is the Christianity teaching. Old Testament is history mostly.
See John 19 and especially :5-15. It is betrayal how New book describe it.

[Reagan Man]

Yawn.

[travelnurse]

It is in Old Testament which is accually the compilation of jewish books.
But New Testament is the Christianity teaching. Old Testament is history mostly.
See John 19 and especially :5-15. It is betrayal how New book describe it.

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The Old Testament, or Torah, is history of the Jewish people, but more so, it is full of prophecies regarding the Jewish people and Israel, many of which are taking place in our generation and right before our very eyes eyes today. It is just as relavent today as it was when it was written. The God of the OT, Jesus Christ, is the same God as in the NT.

God, (Jesus Christ, the Messiah), is not finished with the Jew and will bring them to salvation in His time. The Jewish people have survived 4,000 years of dispersion and have been brought back to their homeland, Israel to receive their Messiah. When He returns, He will save the nation of Israel and the Jews from complete destruction as the armies of the world gather to destroy them. ( the whole world turns against them and it is happening in our day!), and He will be the conquering Messiah that they were looking for the first time He came.

His Covenant with the Jew is an everlasting covenant.

Joel Ch. 3

"In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem (Israel/Jews). Israel became a nation in 1948 and took back the Old City of Jerusalem in the Six Day War in 1967), I will gather all nations and bring them down to the valley of Johoshaphat. THERE I WILL ENTER INTO JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM CONCERNING MY INHERITANCE, MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, FOR THEY SCATTERED MY PEOPLE AMONG THE NATIONS AND DIVIDED UP MY LAND"

God's intentions are very clear concerning His chosen people, and HIS COVENANT LAND that HE GAVE TO THEM.

This is exactly what President Bush and the nations of the world (EU/UN) are doing now ~~ dividing up Israel and giving it to Arab terrorists!!

[RusIvan]

The God of the OT, Jesus Christ, is the same God as in the NT. +++

Exactly. But OT and NT are books of books which are witness accounts of what happened.
During time of OT there wasn't Chistianity as religion. Hence there no of it in Old Testament.
So OT is what jewish witneeses had written for themselves. It is not direct speech of God but rather the hear-say. But jews and judaism itself is different religion then christianity.

The New Testament is the Chistianity. The witness account of Christ words before his pupils. It is the history of life of Jesus Christ and His teachings.
Chistianity is conradict with judaism in many aspects but there are many in common too.
Still most important for chistian is New Testament as the base of religion.

So I'd stay with John 19 in view of role of jews in christianity.

[patriciaruth]

1 .i assumed that Bush would win the popular vote.

I didn't. I thought we had a good shot at the electoral vote and winning the election, but I was worried about the amount of voter fraud I knew the Dems were planning. I kept telling people in California that even though we probably wouldn't win the state, we needed them to go vote for the popular vote count.

The media machinations over calling the states and prematurely putting Florida in the Gore column lost us an untold number of votes in California as people sat shocked in front of their TV's instead of going to the polls.

[patriciaruth]

no mortal man will ever solve the Arab/Jew problem, because it goes back to the beginning of time and will end when time is no more.

Something we agree on. Which is why I don't get too bent out of shape by all the temporal stuff.

[Nix 2]

Veronica, visualize three gorillas and a slew of looneytoons behind them hellbent on shaking the coconuts out of one tree. Then visualize an old fella who has been picked to defend the tree from the gorillas. Now, picture a young, sturdy, human being who commands the most amazing armed forces in the entire world standing directly in front of the old fella with his arms opened wide in a protective stance. His name is President Bush. The Old Fella is Sharon. The tree is Israel. And the skulking gorillas are Russia, France, and Great Britain.
I don't need to tell you who the looneytoons are.

[quietolong]

What does God need with 40 Billion a year in aid, assistance, freebies & payoffs?
When God calls them back they won’t need any of it.
If you keep reading your Bible. When God keeps his word Two things will have happend. Those two things have not happend.
The current Government is a flimflam.

As far as the same sex marriage. I may be reading to much into the statement in this post

“Palestinians” Don’t Exist...But Neither Do “Israelis”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897759/posts

I haven’t look it up to verify. After a few moments of a search I want to barf.

If they haven’t done it yet. It won’t be long tell the do. They have more sodomite rights in place than you can shake a stick at.

[travelnurse]

The NT is a fulfillment and continuation of the OT. The Messiah, Jesus Christ, was prophesized in the OT.

Isaiah 53 -
Surely he took up our infirmities,
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
AND BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED.
He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
YET IT WAS THE LORD'S WILL to crush him and cause
him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days.

There are multitudes of glorious future promises given to the Jewish people and Israel in the OT, many which have already been fulfilled, and yet to come. The entire Holy Scripures was written by Jews... The entire NT and Scripture writers were JEWS and followers of Jesus. It was the pharisees and sadducees (a group of Jewish leaders) who rejected Jesus the first time. Jesus had multitudes of Jewish followers when he was on earth the first time, and it was the Jews who spread the Gospel starting in Jerusalem.

And there are thousands of Messianic Jews today, including in Israel.

One cannot appreciate the NT without realizing the significance of the OT as it relates to the NT.

[RusIvan]

One cannot appreciate the NT without realizing the significance of the OT as it relates to the NT. ++

It is all started from Old Testament. I don't debate that. OT described messiah. Right.

But when messiah came there began the new era. The era of New Testament. The Christianity is the teaching of Christ himself. Direct teaching without any middlemen with actions and by words. All of it in New Testament. It is the main thing.

The Church says by NT Christs established new religion which is quite different then jewish religion. Church says that Christ established that here new chosen people the amount of his pupils and followers. In the world the christians.

Jews tried to fight new religion and Christ himself. Look John 19 especially :5-15.
That is the story.