Y Chromosomes Sketch New Outline of British History

NY Times ^ | May 27, 2003 | NICHOLAS WADE

[blam]

"Could they have been brown skinned people from North Africa/the Middle East? Possibly."

I've even speculated that they were the Xiongnu or perhaps the Scythians.

[Cronos]

I dunno -- the term Scythians I look upon with extreme distrust -- it seems to be a generic term the Persians, Greeks and Romans used for 'barbarians to their north-east and seems to have included at various times Germanics, Slavs, Turkics and Indo-Irani groups. It seems to have been used as a generic term for 'barbarians'

[blam]

Maybe the Yuezhi. There was a greater and lesser Yuezhi. The lesser Yuezhi were forced to migrate all over the place.

"...the Yuezhi (Yüeh-chih in Wade-Giles), an Indo-European-speaking nomadic people who had relocated from China's present-day Gansu Province as a result of their earlier defeat by the Xiongnu."

There is the Gansu area and Indo-European speaking people again.

[Cronos]

The Yue-chih or Tocharians are a very interesting group of people. Pity we don't know more about them. The thing that interests me is that we can broadly classify humanity into 3 races: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. The Caucasoids are the most numerous --2.5 billion, the Mongoloids next with 1.5 billion and Afroids with 1 billion, the rest being mixtures of these three (of course, really speaking I'd say nearly ALL of us are mixtures, but the 1 billion are what you might call apparent mixtures like the South East Asians who are a Caucasoid-Mongoloid mix. if we look at genome diversity, the greatest diversity is shown amongst Negroids but the greatest color and feature difference is found amongst Caucasoids. Maybe it's because hte Caucasoids had a vast range of territory -- bordered by the Sahara and the Gobi-Siberian deserts

[blam]

"Maybe it's because the Caucasoids had a vast range of territory -- bordered by the Sahara and the Gobi-Siberian deserts."

I think at one time, it included most of Asia too.

[Cronos]

I think at one time, it included most of Asia too.

Err.. sorry, I should have been clearer -- Caucasian "lands" are: All of North Africa, north of the Sahara (and including large parts of the Sahara itself), all of the Middle East, all of South Asia (the Indian continent), all of Eurasia West of the Gobi-Siberian desert. THat has been and IS Caucasian territory and the peoples there are Caucasian (with the exceptions of the Turkic tribes)

[blam]

I'll be reading Out Of Eden after Christmas. Professor Oppenheimer believes the world's civilisations were 'seeded' with refugees from SE Asia (Sundaland).

I read Eden In The East and he's about made a believer out of me.

[bannie]

VERY interesting! Thank you for keeping us in the loop!

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[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

That is no surprise. The Celtic (Gaullish) invasion of Asia Minor is well known, and biblical, too (The letter to the Galatians)

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

From your link: ‘Gene scientists claim to have found proof that the Welsh are the “true” Britons.’ As I ubderstand it, this is what everyone thought due to generally reported history, but after WWII some said that despite the evidence to the contrary the Brits were one people ethnically, Genetics has led back to the original idea — Anglo-Saxons pushed back much of the Britons into Wales.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

well, the picts seem to have become the Highlander folks while the lowlander Scots are descendents of the Scotti tribe that came over from Ireland around the 1st century.

This is possible, but not sure, since the Scotti moved to the islands in the Irish Sea, spreading until their new kingdom included parts of the western Scottish tereritory. Eventually the kingdom lost possession of the islands, and remained purely in Scotland. This transitional kingdom including the islands was called Dalriada, which has long seemed to me one of the loveliest names of any state in the British Islands.