Muslim Woman Fights To Keep On Veil For License Photo (Updated)

mycfnow ^

[Post Toasties]

According to her 'religion', won't she go straight to hell for even showing her eyes?

[RobbyS]

Her case is political. The Muslims are pushing the envelope and want to have rights that the authorities deny to Christian sects.

[zarf]

Yeah, when I found out she really didn't enjoy sex.....that was it!!!

[Post Toasties]

They might have objected if your hat was pulled down over your face with cutouts for your eyes.

[aShepard]

I say, give her a one time exemption, and let her buy a one way flight to Iran, using her covered face photo to board the plane.

[Post Toasties]

The USSC voted 7-2 to toss out SCOFLA's attempted vote manipulation. Is there some problem with that?

[peteram]

It's a simple answer: "Either we take a picture of your face for identification purposes or you don't get a driver's license." Her choice.

BINGO!!!

Driving in the state of Florida is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. It's not a matter of infringement of a persons religious beliefs. The simple fact is you either follow the rules or walk (or take a bus or ride your bike - whatever).

[Redbob]

I suppose the dumb bunny wants to drive wearing her veil too, eh?

[Post Toasties]

I'll bet there's no peripheral vision at all in those things. And talk about hot! Anyone driving in a vision-obscuring veil like that is a menace to vehicular traffic and pedestrian alike.

[Ole Okie]

>>Where will she go?


Well, that seems pretty obvious.

She can go to some country that will issue her a drivers license without requiring that she lift her veil for a photograph.

She can make inquiry about who or what that may be.

[Post Toasties]

Why don't they just make it illegal to wear any such hazardous vision-obscuring head covering while driving, period?

[Cinnamon Girl]

Here's my driver's license photo. Talk to the hand.

[Maceman]

Last night God came to me in a dream and said that from now on I have to wear a Bill Clinton mask with "666" written in read marker on the forehead everytime I leave the house.

I demand that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts give me a new license and that the photo show me in the Bill Clinton mask. If they don't, I'm going to sue for religious discrimination.

[I still care]

Exactly. In Saudi Arabia they don't take their veils off. But they don't drive either.

And I have a question - if you are not allowed to drive with things hanging from your mirror, and with dark window tints (NY) is it really safe to drive with veils all over your face, even except for your eyes?

[george wythe]

In America we have a quaint system called a republic that includes the First Amendment to the US Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion. We also have a strange system that includes an independent judiciary whose job is find a solution to these thorny issues dealing with freedom of religion without deporting American citizens to any other country.

We have accommodated all sort of “weird” religions, especially Protestant sects, such as sects that have objections to swearing in front of a judge or saluting the flag.

It seems that a minority among American Christians do not allow anyone to take pictures of them, not even for a driver’s license, and such minority point of view has been accommodated before.

Many other states issue driver licenses without photographs, and Florida issues thousands of driver training permits annually that don't have photos, Marks said. Other courts also have ruled that fundamentalist Christians who also have religious prohibitions against having their photographs taken can get licenses without one.
source

For example, consider this case of a Christian refusing to have his picture taken:

Rev. Cyrus, a minister in The Church of the Firstborn at New Jerusalem, objects to picture taking as a matter of faith. His religious beliefs prohibit the use of "graven images."

The ACLU contends the state failed to show why Rev. Cyrus should not be granted an exception to the photograph requirement. In other states, as well as in other West Virginia situations, citizens have not been required to have their picture on their operators' licenses.

The ACLU also said that military personnel, some military dependents, and permanent residents of the state, hold valid drivers' licenses without photos. In addition, West Virginia drivers who have had their licenses revoked for drunk driving, and who qualify for an emergency temporary license, receive a permit without a photograph.

Rev. Cyrus, born Roger Kennard, had no trouble as a North Carolina resident when he applied for drivers' license. There, he was issued a permit marked "Photo Not Required"

source

I suspect this American lady will be deported after we deport the Amish, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and all the other weird Protestant sects.

[PLMerite]

Well, she's got pretty eyes.

But if the purpose of the photo on the driver's license is to allow identification of the driver to authorities, then either she loses the veil for the photo or no license.

No facee no drivee.

[LanPB01]

It shouldn't be an interesting case at all. The courts have ruled that your religion DOES NOT give you special privileges, as this woman wants (i.e., to void the requirement of showing your face on your driver's license). I'm surprised that even the ACLU could argue a case this stupid.

[Mister Baredog]

The USSC voted 7-2 to toss out SCOFLA's attempted vote manipulation. Is there some problem with that?

I was comparing the FL SC and the NJ SC, you remember the one that overruled their own law to put Lautenberg on the 2002 ballot, AFTER the deadline. A lot like the gang in FL wouldn't you say???

[dennisw]

This is a money lawsuit .... be lookin' to hit the legal lottery.

[Post Toasties]

Too bad for your argument that Florida is not 'some other states'.