Alert to Developing World Catholics: chasm between orthodox believers and radicals in western power

C-FAM ^ | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 | Austin Ruse

[eastsider]

With any luck, the text of Cardinal Arinze's speech will be delivered today, in which case I will post it first thing tomorrow morning.

[Polycarp]

Another angle on Arinze's comments and the backlash to traditional orthodox Catholic opinion.

Related thread: When Tolerance Becomes Intolerance: Religion Increasingly Pilloried in the Public Square

[Polycarp]

Great, thanks.

[epluribus_2]

sounds like just what the RCC needs after JPII to counter those who have hijacked their true mission.

[netmilsmom]

Oh I just want this man to be pope sooooo bad!
I'm still having nightmares about the Gay Cleveland website.

[onyx]

BTTT

[OpusatFR]

Our Catholic Virginian came today and reads like the UN Mission statement incorporating socialism under the guise of social justice, redistribution under the guise of charity, and the American resolve to protect itself and its policy of ~unilateralism~ as some sort of war against peace.

We need more than this man to clean the magisterium. We need a Great Saint, a Gregory, an Augustine. Nothing less.

[RonF]

Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?

[kidd]

I was part of a small audience of about 60 that Cardinal Arinze spoke to in 1996 during a pilgimage to Rome. He is fluent in English, is articulate, is filled with the Holy Spirit and is very conservative. As a rather orthodox Catholic, I would welcome him as Pope with open arms.

His conservative papacy would be the catalyst that would initiate the liberal "American Catholic" church. However, I believe that this will happen anyway and the Roman Catholic church needs someone who will not be influenced by modern society.

[RonF]

Astarita said the comments may have been more palatable had they been made in a different setting, such as an invited lecture.

I thought a commencement address was an invited lecture. Maybe he did this because he thought the kids needed to hear what he had to say.

[LurkingSince'98]

Dear Polycarp,

Do you have a ping list?

If so I'd like to be on it.

Regards,
Lurking'

PS: Our parish priest had a very good homily regarding the ridicule heaped on Cardinal Arinze by the trash at Georgetown. I love small town Catholics!

[DPB101]

Good post. When Ted Kennedy opened America to massive immigration from the third world in 1965, this is something he did not consider. The Christian faith of the developing world is more traditional, more conservative than the Christian faith of the west. This is true of Protestants and Catholics alike.

Liberals thought, in their parochial way, that the Christian faith is a western artifact. Bring in non-westerners and it would disappear and allow secular humanism/marxism to prevail.

But Christ is universal. African Christianity is the religion of Christ in Africa, not today an alien faith taught by European missionaries. In fact, the trend is the opposite, The third world is sending missionaries to the west to revitalize the faith.

America is fortunate that we are being reminded of our roots The same is not true in much of Europe. An alien religion, Islam, is proseltizing Europe.

[1stFreedom]

Nah.

I questioned him once about excommunicating pro-abortion politicians and he gave me a rather diplomatic non-answer.

[wideawake]

Do you really think that a 70-year old Cardinal would be selected as Pope?

Age at Papal election:

St. Celestine V - 79.

Gregory XII - 78.

Callistus III - 77.

Paul IV - 79.

Gregory XIII - 70.

Innocent IX - 72.

Leo XI - 70.

Innocent X - 70.

Clement X - 79.

Blessed Innocent XI - 75.

Alexander VIII - 79.

Innocent XII - 76.

Benedict XIII - 75.

Clement XII - 78.

John XXIII - 77.

There's certainly some precedent.

[RonF]

Precedent, yes. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm asking if you think it's likely.

[RonF]

Islam is alien to everywhere except Arabia. Africa has had Christianity since well before the Roman Catholic Church gained it's current sway. It was in Egypt for hundreds of years before the sword of Islam came. Islam was imposed on Africans while the Arabs sold the Africans into slavery.

[wideawake]

I think the age of the Pope-elect is the last criterion considered.

The cardinalate tends to split up into impromptu factions, each of which puts forward compromise candidates which they think will lead the Church in the right direction while being palatable to the other factions.

Things might change next time around, however. The new rules allow an election by a simple majority after a certain number of failed attempts to reach a two-thirds majority.

[wideawake]

Re: likelihood. I think that younger is probably preferred to older, but the younger cardinals have less of a track record and have had less time to build a reputation.

[kitkat]

I, too, would appreciate it if you have a ping list.