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To: Nachum
Here's my understanding of the Pollard story. I believe it is essentially correct.

Pollard gave the Israelis exactly one piece of information, and it was information that the US was treaty-bound to give to Israel. When time came that the information was important, the US reneged on the treaty, which is an old story when it comes to the traditional relationship between USA and its smaller partner. Pollard then took it on himself to pass the information, even though his superiors forbade him to do so.

Had he not done that, Israel would not exist today, which is quite likely the reason his superiors would not hand it over.

The information in question jeopardized no agents, no secrets were "passed on to China" (or Russia for that matter), and it's an open question who actually broke the law in handling it.

3 posted on 05/26/2003 9:31:43 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Cachelot
"The information in question jeopardized no agents, no secrets were "passed on to China" (or Russia for that matter), and it's an open question who actually broke the law in handling it."

An open question? I thought that question was settled when Pollard freely admitted to conspiracy to commit espionage -- a crime for which the Rosenbergs were both executed.

22 posted on 05/27/2003 2:04:48 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Cachelot
One thing? Wrong. Pollard passed lots of stuff to Israel.

Before the Israelis took him up on it, by his own admission, he approached two other foreign nations first. They thought he was an FBI plant and turned him down. His objective was money.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
25 posted on 05/27/2003 4:28:10 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Cachelot
Pollard gave the Israelis exactly one piece of information, and it was information that the US was treaty-bound to give to Israel.

False. Pollard was sending data to the Israelis for 18 months, After one trip to a classified government library, Pollard needed a handtruck to carry the documents out to his car--something not consistent with giving the Israelis "exactly one piece of information."

27 posted on 05/27/2003 4:48:31 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Cachelot
To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, we've already established what Pollard is - anything else is just haggling over price.

I don't care if all Pollard gave the Israelis was a Redskins schedule - The fact is, he was an agent of a foreign power, under positive, direct control of the Israeli government. The word for this status is "spy" - He had no right or authority to give information to any foreign government, nor was he in a position to assess any supposed U.S. obligation under any international agreement.

Everything else is just rationalization. He is a traitor, plain and simple.
29 posted on 05/27/2003 5:51:23 AM PDT by LouD
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To: Cachelot
Assuming that your scenario is true, a tremendous amount of effort has gone to smearing Pollard, and by implication, the Israelis (and by association, let's be honest, Jews) in this whole affair.

Diabolical seems the word for it.

There were reasons why people like myself were so infuriated at the visits to Crawford Ranch by Saudi Princes. It was a continuation of Baker Boy diplomacy.

Thank God (sincerely) that Bush answers to a higher source than his patrimony.

35 posted on 05/27/2003 6:41:16 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Cachelot
Pollard gave the Israelis exactly one piece of information

Pollard gave the Israelis so much information for the $50,000 he was paid that his handler had to lease a high capacity photocopier.

The information in question jeopardized no agents, no secrets were "passed on to China" (or Russia for that matter)

You're fairly sure then that sources and methods were not revealed in the raw intel that Pollard turned over to a KGB-penetrated Mossad? Well, as long as you're sure...

43 posted on 05/27/2003 7:50:37 AM PDT by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: Cachelot
So Pollard committed contempt of clintonista and that is all ? I have heard of the case but have zero knowledge of the facts. Seems like solid information here. Thanks......

Stay Safe !

102 posted on 05/27/2003 11:09:46 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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