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Pollard Was Blamed for Crimes of Arch-Spies Ames and Hannsen
Arutz 7 ^ | May 26, 2003 | staff

Posted on 05/26/2003 9:17:56 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: beckett
Margolis is hardly the issue here. His article was merely the first source that popped up on google when I went there. You seem to have forgotten that it was a Republican administration that Pollard was prosecuted under. Is it your goal to try and discredit them now?
101 posted on 05/27/2003 11:09:39 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: Cachelot
So Pollard committed contempt of clintonista and that is all ? I have heard of the case but have zero knowledge of the facts. Seems like solid information here. Thanks......

Stay Safe !

102 posted on 05/27/2003 11:09:46 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: willowpar
Now you think I'm Canadian

No, I think you're an American woman staying in Canada illegally due to her close connections to Ernst Zundel. Helloooo, Texoma.....

103 posted on 05/27/2003 11:10:58 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: SJackson
Then we can all judge whether his sentence was disproportonate.

You just don't get it do you? Its not up to all of us to judge, but up to the presiding court. In a Republic, the citizens should have faith in our institutions. Pollard was given all the normal legal protections of the constitution in his trial. The end result of the fair legal process speaks volumes of his crimes.

104 posted on 05/27/2003 11:12:44 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Cachelot
No, I think you're an American woman staying in Canada illegally due to her close connections to Ernst Zundel. Helloooo, Texoma.....

Excuse me, but are you psychotic?

105 posted on 05/27/2003 11:13:12 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
That was in the indictment? Can you show that to us?

Shrug. The page has many links to document what it says, i think. And no, of course I can't show you the original indictment. I can't show you Weinberger's a$$hole either.

Is this LO-IQ-day or something?

106 posted on 05/27/2003 11:14:18 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: willowpar
Would it be too much to ask you to read my posts on the thread before you start making dumb guesses as to my position on the case? Jeesh.
107 posted on 05/27/2003 11:17:17 AM PDT by beckett
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To: willowpar
Excuse me, but are you psychotic?

No, just psychic. Just ask your friend Skunk, aka Tony (or Toni, as he prefers). And when you do, I'll likely be right there on LibertyForum, watching ;).

108 posted on 05/27/2003 11:17:37 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Cachelot
Is this LO-IQ-day or something?

Seems more like "let the loonies out of the bin" day. What, did you miss your dose of lithium this afternoon?

109 posted on 05/27/2003 11:17:40 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: beckett
You trust Weinberger because he worked for Reagan? Weinberger is the quintessential insider having worked as a politician for many different interests including the NIxon Administration and the Bechtel group.

You are entitled to your trust, and I am entitled to my lack there of.

110 posted on 05/27/2003 11:21:47 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: willowpar
Seems more like "let the loonies out of the bin" day. What, did you miss your dose of lithium this afternoon?

You throw around insults pretty good for a brand spanking new member of FR (5-19-03). Methinks what we have here someone who has been banned many times from this forum, and yet just keeps turning up like a bad penny.

111 posted on 05/27/2003 11:24:03 AM PDT by beckett
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To: Cachelot
No, just psychic. Just ask your friend Skunk, aka Tony (or Toni, as he prefers). And when you do, I'll likely be right there on LibertyForum, watching ;).

Is it just me, or are you really some kind of crazed lunatic? Who is skunk, aka tony, and exactly what does it have to do with the subject of this thread? If I had known you were delusional, I would have avoided addressing your posts. Have a nice day, and try not to let those voices in your head interfere with your daily activities. Sheesh.

112 posted on 05/27/2003 11:25:10 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: willowpar
You know, you remind me a whole lot of a former poster by the name of +Bert.

LOL!

113 posted on 05/27/2003 11:27:11 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: beckett
You throw around insults pretty good for a brand spanking new member of FR

I generally try to avoid insults and such and much prefer a more civil exchange, but some of the apologetics for Pollard on this thread just totally shocked me and threw me off balance. That, and the fact that I haven't been able to make heads nor tails of the last 3 or 4 posts from this Cachelot character.

114 posted on 05/27/2003 11:31:37 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: Nachum
You know, you remind me a whole lot of a former poster by the name of +Bert.

Oh, is that what this is all about, people think I'm a former poster? LOL, I don't know who this +Bert is, but he sounds like an OK guy in my book if he is the kind of guy who raises hell about pardoning some convicted spy.

115 posted on 05/27/2003 11:37:40 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: willowpar
I don't support freeing Pollard. However, Margolis is not a good source. He is an Arabist. Besides, the entire artical here refutes Margolis's claims.
116 posted on 05/27/2003 11:38:28 AM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: willowpar
Is it just me

Yes.

Who is skunk, aka tony

Ahh, you are playing coy.


Recognize him?

117 posted on 05/27/2003 11:40:31 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Cachelot
Ahh, you are playing coy.

So I'm a skunk huh. Okey-dokey. Whatever you say...as I slowly tip-toe away from the strange, and possibly dangerous lunatic who goes by the name of Cachelot...

118 posted on 05/27/2003 11:48:08 AM PDT by willowpar
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
You just don't get it do you? Its not up to all of us to judge, but up to the presiding court. In a Republic, the citizens should have faith in our institutions. Pollard was given all the normal legal protections of the constitution in his trial. The end result of the fair legal process speaks volumes of his crimes.

You’re right, that’s precisely the point.

Pollard entered into a plea agreement. He pled to one count of transmitting national security information to a foreign government , fulfilled his obligation to cooperate with prosecutors, who had promised not to ask for a life sentence.

On the day of sentencing he and his attorney (who failed to appeal the sentence) were allowed to eyeball a classified supplemental memorandum from Weinberger, (who had already submitted a presentencing declaration, ) purporting to accusing Pollard of treason and comparing the damage to the nation caused by Pollard to that of Soviet spies Ronald Pelton, Ronald Pelton, and Jerry A. Whitworth.

None of this was brought out in the proceedings, and the memorandum was classified for national security reasons.

Secret proceedings may be necessary in some highly unusual circumstances, as may be unrebutted secret testimony, but they’re in no way representative of an American legal process, nor is Pollard’s sentencing, based solely on “faith in our institutions” (Clinton would have loved your sense of “faith”).

Today the national security concerns are long past, and Pollard’s attorneys have granted the security clearances necessary to review the Weinberger memorandum. IMO, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be made public, then we’d all know if this was a miscarriage of justice. At the very least, his attorney’s should be allowed access to the information his sentence was based on, to provide him with the ability to appeal.

Some of the issues are explained in the documents back in post 50.

119 posted on 05/27/2003 11:48:23 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Poohbah
You never saw Ivan actively encouraging American citizens to lobby for the release of KGB agents we caught.

Ok, back to serious stuff. No, you didn't really. And when the Pollard case began bubbling out of the backroom confines, I actually think it wasn't Israel pushing it - more like part of the reaction to the pattern that Clinton set. The Wye doublecross was classical Clinton, and it upset a whole lot of folks, not just Israel, or Jews for that matter.

120 posted on 05/27/2003 11:48:30 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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