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Pollard Was Blamed for Crimes of Arch-Spies Ames and Hannsen
Arutz 7 ^ | May 26, 2003 | staff

Posted on 05/26/2003 9:17:56 PM PDT by Nachum

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1 posted on 05/26/2003 9:17:56 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
If true this could deal a fatal blow to the Tenet CIA.

I wonder if the Israeli government will renew its request that Pollard be freed. Netanyahu was rebuffed by Clinton after Tenet threatened to resign over Pollard's release. Maybe now we know why it was such a serious issue.
2 posted on 05/26/2003 9:30:06 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Nachum
Here's my understanding of the Pollard story. I believe it is essentially correct.

Pollard gave the Israelis exactly one piece of information, and it was information that the US was treaty-bound to give to Israel. When time came that the information was important, the US reneged on the treaty, which is an old story when it comes to the traditional relationship between USA and its smaller partner. Pollard then took it on himself to pass the information, even though his superiors forbade him to do so.

Had he not done that, Israel would not exist today, which is quite likely the reason his superiors would not hand it over.

The information in question jeopardized no agents, no secrets were "passed on to China" (or Russia for that matter), and it's an open question who actually broke the law in handling it.

3 posted on 05/26/2003 9:31:43 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Filibuster_60
Tenet still swears to this day, that what Pollard did, cost american agents there lives, Woosley is in the same boat. They have been adamant about opposing Pollard ever being released (And Woosley is hardley anti-semetic, his pro-israeli views are well known). William Session wishes that Pollard had been executed, the rage in him runs so deep. I'm inclined to believe that Pollard is guilty, no matter what anyone says, bottom line, he gave documents to a foreign country, when he took an oath to serve this one.

His loyalty should have been to the United States of America, he was given orders, he ignored them, he did commit treason, he is guilty. Those are the facts, everything else is window dressing.

4 posted on 05/26/2003 9:48:26 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Nachum
Outraged by the Saudi cover-up, O'Neill quit the FBI and became the new chief of security at the World Trade Center. In a bitter irony, the man who could have exposed his bosses' continuous cover-up of the Saudi-Al Qaeda link was himself killed by Al Qaeda on 9/11..."

Now that's one piece of conspiracy-theory material that the Bush administration would prefer to keep muzzled. According to anti-Bush conspiracy theorists, O'Neill quit his FBI job only two weeks before 9/11, therefore he may have known about the impending attack on the WTC. Given how much he knew about the Bush administration's reluctance to confront the Saudis, his death was not a bitter irony, but quite a convenient one for the White House, so the theory goes.

I can only begin to wonder which Democratic leader might have the boldness and cunning to present a case against Bush for negligence before 9/11 at some point in the future.

5 posted on 05/26/2003 9:51:49 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Sonny M
Woolsey may well be pro-Israel, but he's hardly anti-Saudi, to the best of my knowledge. What this article implies is that Saudi petrodollars may well have bought far more influence in Washington than our leaders, particularly the "oil cabal" of the GOP, is willing to reveal.

I still tend to believe Pollard's guilt, though I don't discount the possibility of politicization of his case.
6 posted on 05/26/2003 9:59:51 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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I can only begin to wonder which Democratic leader might have the boldness and cunning to present a case against Bush for negligence before 9/11 at some point in the future.

Oh, the rot in the FBI (and the CIA, and all around the place) is of a far earlier date than the Bush administration, not that it has sole roots in Democrat administrations. But Bush is cleaning house as well as possible. Remember that these guys have protection, and just firing them isn't an off-the-cuff sort of thing even for a president.

Bottom line, though: I think that if the dems tried, it would splatter themselves too badly. People might start asking pointy questions about all sorts of stuff. And believe me, there's worse than just a few criminal officials.

7 posted on 05/26/2003 10:01:59 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Nachum
Loftus is keeping right up with his usual Jewish apologia work. Wonder what pictures the AJC or ADL has on him?

Pollard should stay behind bars, since we weren't allowed to execute him after his trial.

8 posted on 05/26/2003 10:02:56 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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His lawyer, who this is by, has been trying to play conspiracy games for years, if you follow his ramblings, and get between the subtleys, over all these years, he will, wind up blaming either Ronald Reagan or to some extent, Bush sr (and now by default GWB).

Clinton, to help Hillary get the jewish vote, was ready to pardon him, but Pollard would have been far more controversial then any of the other pardons, and he knew he would, in essence, possibly ruin Hillary, if Tenet resigned, and start yacking.

9 posted on 05/26/2003 10:04:17 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
...And if others come out and corroborate what Loftus says, is it just another Jewish conspiracy?
10 posted on 05/26/2003 10:05:16 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
And he never did, although he clearly violated its laws. He just wanted to help protect Israelis and Americans from terrorists.

Isn't that special? Nothing like not letting those irksome little things called laws get in the way of your desires, right?

Loftus is doing a great job of making Pollard into Dreyfuss. Was it a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that sent Pollard to prison, just because he was a porr wittle Jew?

11 posted on 05/26/2003 10:06:57 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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And if he is another "Dreyfus", what then?
12 posted on 05/26/2003 10:08:15 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Filibuster_60
I can only begin to wonder which Democratic leader might have the boldness and cunning to present a case against Bush for negligence before 9/11 at some point in the future.

Graham from Florida has been trying to pull some of the conspiracy crap, however, the other canidates are basically treating him like a kook. If the dems were to play that game, it could ruin Hillary Clinton, leave Clinton an even bigger disgrace, and destory numerious members of the democratic party.

Honestly, who's going to get more blame for the lapses, a Vice President who just came back from the private sector and was retired untill the 2000 election, a secretary of defence who had no plans on ever coming back and was happy in the private sector,an attorony general who thought he would still be a senator, or, the previous administration, that had been recieving warnings, had dealt with al quada numerious times, and then killed its own airline security study.

Alot of this is coincedenc, Al Gore did have a good reason to suppress the airline security study (Gary Hart wasn't to happy though), he needed campaign donations from the airline industry and he got them.

13 posted on 05/26/2003 10:11:38 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Nachum
A novel route for the Pollard apologists. It's always something. Busy little beavers you are, constantly working on new ways to clear your guy. A+ for effort.

A few little problems however: 1) I have never before heard that Pollard was blamed for the deaths of Soviet agents. The whole awfully convenient "blue stripe" angle is totally new to the story. Could Loftus be creating a charge against Pollard just to clear him of it?; 2) Hansen and Ames have long been associated with the deaths of Soviet agents, but I have never seen their names linked to Pollard in any way; 3) Pollard's most serious traitorous acts have never been disclosed, just as Cap Weinberger demanded, so how can anyone be sure Loftus knows what he's talking about?

14 posted on 05/26/2003 10:11:53 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Nachum
And if others

What others? Where are they? Or are you and Loftus channelling John O'Neill from beyond the grave?

15 posted on 05/26/2003 10:11:54 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: beckett
I have never before heard that Pollard was blamed for the deaths of Soviet agents

Blaming Pollard for these agents is common. It's been on this forum quite often.

16 posted on 05/26/2003 10:17:28 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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What this article implies is that Saudi petrodollars may well have bought far more influence in Washington than our leaders, particularly the "oil cabal" of the GOP, is willing to reveal.

Influence? Its a matter of commonsense politics really. Israel produces nothing which keeps the economy humming (excepting humbug like this perhaps), Saudi produces tons of it. When oil prices rise, its the regular folks back home complaining to congress, not the Saudi's or their registered agents. Saudi has revealed its power twice - 1973 and 1979. Do we really need another 4 year recession to remind us of it? Most people think not.

In any case, I fail to see the connection that would make the Saudi's gravely interested in getting Pollard behind bars. Or does he have the explosive proof of Saudi guilt for everything ... if only he could be freed to tell it. I've heard of a lot of prisoners with explosive proofs of this or that if only you would free them. You believe that tripe?

17 posted on 05/26/2003 10:18:29 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Nachum
He isn't Dreyfuss. Get over it already. Even the man's supporters will aver he broke laws.
18 posted on 05/26/2003 10:20:16 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Israel produces nothing which keeps the economy humming

Hmmmm.... Israel is a hi-tech country which produces, among other things, medical wizardry and improvements for US armamante, is selected by Intel as the place to be, and has developed the latest generation of Intel chips. Saudi is producing terrorists and camel dung by itself, and with the help of foreigners living there (in "open prison" conditions), oil.

You're pretty transparent, Hermann. Why are you here and not on LibertyForum?

19 posted on 05/26/2003 10:26:02 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Nachum
Any wat you slice it Pollard is a traitor. Just because he spied for someone other than an arch-enemy doesn't diminish his actions. He placed a foreign government ahead of the US. He should have been shot!
20 posted on 05/26/2003 10:32:12 PM PDT by Natural Law
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