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Outsourcing hits US techies hard
Times of India ^ | MAY 26, 2003 | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 05/26/2003 3:51:30 PM PDT by Lessismore

WASHINGTON: On a recent April afternoon in Silicon Valley, moments after he was told he had been laid off from his computer programming job at a Bank of America training centre, Kevin Flanagan stepped into the parking lot and shot himself dead.

Some of America's technology workers, who like Flanagan have also had to collect pink slips over the last several months, think they know why Flanagan took his life: Bank of America not only outsourced his job to India, but forced him to train Indian workers to do the job he had to give up.

In the weeks since his death, the techies have used the incident as fuel to fire a campaign against outsourcing to India, an issue that now seems poised to become a major sticking point between the two countries. Several US states are already considering legislation to ban or limit outsourcing.

Bank of America is one of several major US corporations – General Electric, Microsoft, Intel are among others - under scrutiny for outsourcing jobs to India. The Bank created what is called a "Global Delivery centre" in 2000 to identify projects that could be sent offshore.

Since then it has signed agreements with Infosys and Tata Consulting Services (TCS) to provide solutions and services.

In an e-mail exchange with this correspondent, Kevin's father Tom Flanagan said "a significant reason for which my son took his life was indeed as a result of his job being outsourced."

"Did he blame India for his job loss? No. He blamed the "system." He couldn't understand why Americans are losing jobs. Rather I should say he understood it economically, but not emotionally," Flanagan said.

Bank officials, who did not return calls relating to Flanagan's death, have said in the past that the deal with Indian companies would effect no more than 5 per cent of the bank's 21,000 employees, or about 1,100 jobs, in its technology and operations division.

According to some surveys, the US has lost at least 800,000 jobs in the past year and some 3.3 million jobs will move overseas over the next few years because of outsourcing, mostly to India.

The Bank has also acknowledged that it had asked local workers to train foreigners because such knowledge transfer was essential. According to Tom Flanagan, his son was "totally disgusted" with the fact that he and his fellow-workers had to train foreigners to do his job so they could take over. "That sir is a travesty," he said in one e-mail.

US tech workers are challenging the corporate world's claim that it is outsourcing work to improve bottomlines and efficiency. Some analysts have also pointed out that US corporations were being forced to tighten up by the same people who are moaning about outsourcing, and who, heavily invested in the stock market, demand better performance.

But on one website that discussed the Flanagan case, a tech worker pointed out that data processing consumed only a small per cent of revenues and was hardly a drain on the Bank's profit.

"(It is) a prosperous bank which has let greed trump any sense of patriotism or social responsibility," he fumed.


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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Fleet sales for a big car dealership in Frisco, TX.
421 posted on 05/26/2003 9:57:21 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: Pukin Dog
And as for my advice to you earlier, well, do keep it in mind.
422 posted on 05/26/2003 9:58:18 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: mylife
That's the spirit!
423 posted on 05/26/2003 10:01:05 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: rdb3
Tech in tx Sux at the moment dont it??
424 posted on 05/26/2003 10:01:38 PM PDT by mylife
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To: TaxRelief
I think FR needs to change its name based on the crap on this thread. I would not have belived that Freepers would be anti-capalist and pro-socialist. Man, times have changed. Freaking disgusting!
425 posted on 05/26/2003 10:02:30 PM PDT by USMMA_83
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To: TaxRelief
That's the spirit!

Thanks! 8-)

426 posted on 05/26/2003 10:02:30 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: TaxRelief
That's the spirit!

I keep trying to remind myself!! :^)

427 posted on 05/26/2003 10:03:21 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
We need a list of companies who are outsourcing and hiring H1B employees. Then BOYCOTT these firms and make them as UNcomfortable as possible. We must broadcast their UNamerican activities in the press.

Next, we should contact our congressmen and senators, and build a list of those who are pro-outsourcing and want to continue handing out H1B visas. Then vote them out and vote in people who are sensitive to the needs of working Americans.

Unlike the blue collar workers who lost their jobs in manufacturing when their work was sent overseas, we have the internet with which to communicate and help us make some noise.

Maybe we can even get some of those manufacturing jobs back home also. I have tried so hard not to buy anything Made in China but it is almost impossible.

I totally agree with you. I want to do something about this problem before it is too late.

You can't find any small appliances that aren't made in China. All the toys seem to be made in China too.

Here's the ones listed in the article:
1) Bank of America
2) General Electric
3) Microsoft
4) Intel
Add:
5) EMC
6) Dell

428 posted on 05/26/2003 10:04:36 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
The day I vote for a "sensitive" legislator, will be the last day I ever vote.
429 posted on 05/26/2003 10:08:49 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: mylife
Tech in tx Sux at the moment dont it??

It sure does.

431 posted on 05/26/2003 10:10:29 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: Texaggie79
Very nice.

Try Hayek and Von Mises next :)

432 posted on 05/26/2003 10:10:30 PM PDT by DAnconia55 (Pimps up, hoes down - lol... I've seen that.)
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To: TaxRelief
President Bush said he was a "compassionate conservative". I would think that is the same thing as a "sensitive" legislator.
433 posted on 05/26/2003 10:11:52 PM PDT by FR_addict
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these jobs are not a birthright.
I feel the pinch whenever life demands change, it hurts for a while, but I get over it. Im no entrapanuer but really, unless You are your own Boss you cant expect the boss (Company) to have your interest in mind. No one on this board is destitute...We all will survive.

BUT GLOBALIZATION SURE SEEMS TO SUK RIGHT NOW!! LOL!

434 posted on 05/26/2003 10:12:13 PM PDT by mylife
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To: dalereed
I would argue that many farmers are also engineers by force.

But farmers are losing out to the global agenda as well.

Starting in my memory, with the Montreal Protocol, a treaty most of us never heard of, but has deeply affected farming in California and beyond. And not _one_ citizen was asked to vote on it to participate either!
435 posted on 05/26/2003 10:12:15 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: FR_addict
Here's the ones listed in the article:

1) Bank of America
2) General Electric
3) Microsoft
4) Intel
Add:
5) EMC
6) Dell

Okay, here is a starting list of companies to BOYCOTT.

Now we need a list of senators and congressmen pro & con, so we know how to vote at the next election.

There are good alternate choices for each one of the above companies, even for Microsoft (GO LINUX!! Or, Switch to Mac)

I believe this is the list of products for EMC:
http://www.emc.com/products/
436 posted on 05/26/2003 10:13:43 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Pukin Dog
I can't remember 'exactly' as it has been some time, and I'm not going to dig out the books...

In one of my econ texts, there is a chart of what the 'poor' own. Most have 1-2 cars, washer dryer, cable TV, air conditioning, TV, etc... The percentage is huge, even of people on welfare.

The percentage of ownership ranged from 40 - 80%+ on most items...

437 posted on 05/26/2003 10:15:04 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: dalereed
Not at all, the biggest problem is getting qualified applicants. Only 2% that start the flight program are successfull in becoming carrier pilots! They are the best of the best!

The best of the best US citizens. Let's make it like IT industry and invite the 2 billion of chinese/indians in.

438 posted on 05/26/2003 10:15:28 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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Ya know... one of the hardest things I learned was that no one is gonna provide for me.
439 posted on 05/26/2003 10:16:17 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Don't bother listing a bunch of democrats who are on your side and a bunch of republicans who are against you. It will expose you for what you are.

440 posted on 05/26/2003 10:17:31 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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